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First experience with match type bullet on game
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<blockquote data-quote="dennisinaz" data-source="post: 1763943" data-attributes="member: 40966"><p>Wow, a lot of experts on here!!</p><p></p><p>Have you ever sectioned a SMK bullet, a Berger VLD? I have sectioned lots of them. Sierra jackets are thicker than the Bergers. I have rifles that will blow a Berger up in flight but the SMK always hits the target. I can remember shooting 1000 BR matches with the 210 Bergers from a Lazzaroni Warbird. Every once in a while one of these match bullets with vaporize in the air and you would have a very nice 9-shot group and a puff of smoke in the air. We switched to Sierra Match kings and never had another blow-up.</p><p></p><p>Another poster stated that target bullets have thick jackets to hold together at long range, hunting bullets have thin jackets!</p><p></p><p>I guess he has never seen a Swift A-frame, a Bitterroot or whatever other quality hunting bullet.</p><p>Target shooters are well known for using the minimal amount of twist they can get by with to minimize any defects in the bullet core manifesting in groups. The ubiquitous Remington 700 in 308 has a 1-10 twist in all models except the varmint and PSS (at least when I was buying factory rifles they did) the Varmint and PSS were 1-12 twist; ostensibly to better shoot the 168 SMK target loads. Hunters on the other hand usually spec a barrel to shoot the heaviest and longest bullet they can dream of in their best hallucinations. They spin bullets much faster than a typical target rifle.</p><p></p><p>Everyone is going to have different experiences with deer reactions to gunshot wounds (GSW). A study done in France a number of years ago involved the killing of hundreds of goats to study bullet effects on vitals. One thing came out- the DRT goats (all were shot in the heart) were dependant on WHICH chamber of the heart was filled with blood at the time of the shot. I believe it is the left ventricle that, when filled, would shoot a tsunami of blood into the brain - causing the DRT that we all ooooh and aaaah at. A true DRT reaction from a GSW MUST involve the central nervous system. Period.</p><p></p><p>High shoulder shots typically disrupt the spinal cord and cause the legs to collapse. The animal is still alive but instantly incapacitated. Bigger calibers exacerbate this phenomenon but don't help much with a poor shot.</p><p></p><p>Another poster won't use lead bullets (cup/core) anymore because he doesn't want any lead in his system. There are been plenty of studies done to show that these particle of lead pass through harmlessly. It is the primer residue that is most toxic.</p><p></p><p>I have used my share of Barnes X bullets in their various iterations. I have found that they do NOT kill nearly as quickly as a standard bullet given the same exact shot placement. I tried it repeatedly on a trip to Africa. My Partition loads were much quicker to end the flight than the copper bullets. Only place I would use a copper bullet is in a place that didn't allow real bullets. I shot quite a few head of game with them when they first came out. They have their place but shooting deer is not one of them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dennisinaz, post: 1763943, member: 40966"] Wow, a lot of experts on here!! Have you ever sectioned a SMK bullet, a Berger VLD? I have sectioned lots of them. Sierra jackets are thicker than the Bergers. I have rifles that will blow a Berger up in flight but the SMK always hits the target. I can remember shooting 1000 BR matches with the 210 Bergers from a Lazzaroni Warbird. Every once in a while one of these match bullets with vaporize in the air and you would have a very nice 9-shot group and a puff of smoke in the air. We switched to Sierra Match kings and never had another blow-up. Another poster stated that target bullets have thick jackets to hold together at long range, hunting bullets have thin jackets! I guess he has never seen a Swift A-frame, a Bitterroot or whatever other quality hunting bullet. Target shooters are well known for using the minimal amount of twist they can get by with to minimize any defects in the bullet core manifesting in groups. The ubiquitous Remington 700 in 308 has a 1-10 twist in all models except the varmint and PSS (at least when I was buying factory rifles they did) the Varmint and PSS were 1-12 twist; ostensibly to better shoot the 168 SMK target loads. Hunters on the other hand usually spec a barrel to shoot the heaviest and longest bullet they can dream of in their best hallucinations. They spin bullets much faster than a typical target rifle. Everyone is going to have different experiences with deer reactions to gunshot wounds (GSW). A study done in France a number of years ago involved the killing of hundreds of goats to study bullet effects on vitals. One thing came out- the DRT goats (all were shot in the heart) were dependant on WHICH chamber of the heart was filled with blood at the time of the shot. I believe it is the left ventricle that, when filled, would shoot a tsunami of blood into the brain - causing the DRT that we all ooooh and aaaah at. A true DRT reaction from a GSW MUST involve the central nervous system. Period. High shoulder shots typically disrupt the spinal cord and cause the legs to collapse. The animal is still alive but instantly incapacitated. Bigger calibers exacerbate this phenomenon but don't help much with a poor shot. Another poster won't use lead bullets (cup/core) anymore because he doesn't want any lead in his system. There are been plenty of studies done to show that these particle of lead pass through harmlessly. It is the primer residue that is most toxic. I have used my share of Barnes X bullets in their various iterations. I have found that they do NOT kill nearly as quickly as a standard bullet given the same exact shot placement. I tried it repeatedly on a trip to Africa. My Partition loads were much quicker to end the flight than the copper bullets. Only place I would use a copper bullet is in a place that didn't allow real bullets. I shot quite a few head of game with them when they first came out. They have their place but shooting deer is not one of them. [/QUOTE]
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