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First ever pillar and bedding job / Savage 111 Trophy Hunter
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<blockquote data-quote="J E Custom" data-source="post: 1198063" data-attributes="member: 2736"><p>I totally agree with all you said and I am in no way offended,this a discussion and we are discussing different ways and procedures to do a job. there are always going to be differences of opinions and I just expressed mine. I also understand the difference in compressive and tensile, but the manufactures did not furnish compressive values, all they said was that G 10 would fail catastrophically (Just like concrete)and turn to powder when the compressive yield is reached and that is the main reason I chose to use a material that does not totally fail when loaded to yield . And ultimately that is what we are doing to the pillars (Compressing them). Armed with Only tensile strength numbers for the G 10 the only other comparison was to use the tensile strength to compare with other products. (As you said there is a relationship with the tinsel and compressive numbers so that Is all I had to compare with.</p><p></p><p>I never question anyone's methods or choice of materials as long as I don't think they are dangerous. I only make recommendations based on my experiences and likes. I can say, that I base my recommendations on more that just what I am told or think is the only way to go because I normally research an issue and go with the best option at the time. and if someone comes up with a better solution I will change if all indications are that it is better. (I don't believe anything I hear until I prove to myself that it has merit or is the best way to do something).</p><p></p><p>I don't rely on the bedding to help with the action screw torque at all because I want the pillars to </p><p>manage the torque and the bedding to hold the action in the exact same place with the exact same </p><p>contact surface so accuracy is very predictable and consistent. (The main reason for a totally stress free bedding job). I also don't know what the compressive shock is when a rifle is fired, But I would have to think it was more than 60 inch pounds because of the recoil vectoring it's force in many directions.</p><p></p><p>I will be the first to admit over engineering most things, but I believe in a margin of safety and durability so my choices are generally based on that criteria. and I normally use materials that are better than I need, not just good enough to do the job. There is no question that G10 will do the job, but in my opinion there are better materials that cost no more and give me that margin/edge</p><p>that I look for. There are a lot of things that I wouldn't do/use that are used every day with good results but I just want to be very comfortable with what ever I do or use that it is the best I can do.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for your comments and I hope this helps explain where I am coming from In the way I do things. That is good enough, or that will work, is not in my vocabulary. I want it better than It needs to be. (Just me)</p><p></p><p>J E CUSTOM</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="J E Custom, post: 1198063, member: 2736"] I totally agree with all you said and I am in no way offended,this a discussion and we are discussing different ways and procedures to do a job. there are always going to be differences of opinions and I just expressed mine. I also understand the difference in compressive and tensile, but the manufactures did not furnish compressive values, all they said was that G 10 would fail catastrophically (Just like concrete)and turn to powder when the compressive yield is reached and that is the main reason I chose to use a material that does not totally fail when loaded to yield . And ultimately that is what we are doing to the pillars (Compressing them). Armed with Only tensile strength numbers for the G 10 the only other comparison was to use the tensile strength to compare with other products. (As you said there is a relationship with the tinsel and compressive numbers so that Is all I had to compare with. I never question anyone's methods or choice of materials as long as I don't think they are dangerous. I only make recommendations based on my experiences and likes. I can say, that I base my recommendations on more that just what I am told or think is the only way to go because I normally research an issue and go with the best option at the time. and if someone comes up with a better solution I will change if all indications are that it is better. (I don't believe anything I hear until I prove to myself that it has merit or is the best way to do something). I don't rely on the bedding to help with the action screw torque at all because I want the pillars to manage the torque and the bedding to hold the action in the exact same place with the exact same contact surface so accuracy is very predictable and consistent. (The main reason for a totally stress free bedding job). I also don't know what the compressive shock is when a rifle is fired, But I would have to think it was more than 60 inch pounds because of the recoil vectoring it's force in many directions. I will be the first to admit over engineering most things, but I believe in a margin of safety and durability so my choices are generally based on that criteria. and I normally use materials that are better than I need, not just good enough to do the job. There is no question that G10 will do the job, but in my opinion there are better materials that cost no more and give me that margin/edge that I look for. There are a lot of things that I wouldn't do/use that are used every day with good results but I just want to be very comfortable with what ever I do or use that it is the best I can do. Thanks for your comments and I hope this helps explain where I am coming from In the way I do things. That is good enough, or that will work, is not in my vocabulary. I want it better than It needs to be. (Just me) J E CUSTOM [/QUOTE]
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