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Finally what the Raptor LRSS was designed to be.... a long adventure coming..
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 1926550" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>in my opinion, thats the perfect reason we all should be doing this. What a rifle that will hold supersonic velocities to your target distance will do is give you the ability to have CONSISTENT grouping at those ranges, not the possibility of a hit. These next comments are not directed at you specifically, just my general opinion.</p><p></p><p>someone that can hold 1 moa Or even 2 moa three shot groups at 2000 yards impresses me MUCH more then someone that gets a single hit at 4000 yards after sending six pounds of lead down at the target. Nothing against trying for the longer hits but its not precision shooting.</p><p></p><p>my goal for my rifles and wildcats has always been to extend the CONSISTENT ranging ability of hunters and shooters, not to get a random one hit on a wall of steel at 4500 yards and claim a new world record.....</p><p></p><p>in my testing, and shooting, the key to consistency at long range is maintaining supersonic velocity. I have yet to see ANY combo pass through the transsonic velocity ranges and into subsonic velocity without some degree of consistency loss. This can range from relatively minor to total bullet stability failure. Generally its somewhere in the middle to failure ranges.</p><p></p><p>however, if velocity levels are kept over 1150 fps, i maintain and have proven many times that moa level, repeatable, predictable accuracy is totally possible at any range. Now, alot goes into this, air quality, mirage, wind, all kinds of things can limit this, but in ideal conditions, i have proven many times that moa level accuracy is possible out to the limits of super sonic velocity.</p><p></p><p>case in point, i have tested my 338 Allen Magnum many times out to 3000-3100 yards and in ideal shooting conditions, on many occasions have been able to out three shots in a row on my 20" round gong. Thats 3/4 moa. That said, there have been just as many times when i was lucky to get a single shot on steel because or shooting conditions.</p><p></p><p>however, holding that level of precision and consistency when shooting 300, 500, 1000 or even 2000 yards PAST the supersonic limits of a rifle system is simply impossible and in the 30 years i have been playing this game, no one has been able to prove to me that its possible to hold consistent moa consistency past the supersonic limits of their rifle. And all that have tried have proven my opinion.....</p><p></p><p>again, i have nothing against trying for a goal, its fun and rewarding for sure. Just saying, you would be amazed at what your capable of doing if you can maintain supersonic velocities!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 1926550, member: 10"] in my opinion, thats the perfect reason we all should be doing this. What a rifle that will hold supersonic velocities to your target distance will do is give you the ability to have CONSISTENT grouping at those ranges, not the possibility of a hit. These next comments are not directed at you specifically, just my general opinion. someone that can hold 1 moa Or even 2 moa three shot groups at 2000 yards impresses me MUCH more then someone that gets a single hit at 4000 yards after sending six pounds of lead down at the target. Nothing against trying for the longer hits but its not precision shooting. my goal for my rifles and wildcats has always been to extend the CONSISTENT ranging ability of hunters and shooters, not to get a random one hit on a wall of steel at 4500 yards and claim a new world record..... in my testing, and shooting, the key to consistency at long range is maintaining supersonic velocity. I have yet to see ANY combo pass through the transsonic velocity ranges and into subsonic velocity without some degree of consistency loss. This can range from relatively minor to total bullet stability failure. Generally its somewhere in the middle to failure ranges. however, if velocity levels are kept over 1150 fps, i maintain and have proven many times that moa level, repeatable, predictable accuracy is totally possible at any range. Now, alot goes into this, air quality, mirage, wind, all kinds of things can limit this, but in ideal conditions, i have proven many times that moa level accuracy is possible out to the limits of super sonic velocity. case in point, i have tested my 338 Allen Magnum many times out to 3000-3100 yards and in ideal shooting conditions, on many occasions have been able to out three shots in a row on my 20” round gong. Thats 3/4 moa. That said, there have been just as many times when i was lucky to get a single shot on steel because or shooting conditions. however, holding that level of precision and consistency when shooting 300, 500, 1000 or even 2000 yards PAST the supersonic limits of a rifle system is simply impossible and in the 30 years i have been playing this game, no one has been able to prove to me that its possible to hold consistent moa consistency past the supersonic limits of their rifle. And all that have tried have proven my opinion..... again, i have nothing against trying for a goal, its fun and rewarding for sure. Just saying, you would be amazed at what your capable of doing if you can maintain supersonic velocities!!! [/QUOTE]
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