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Fastest, most accurate .257, .284, .308 ??????
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<blockquote data-quote="jmbn" data-source="post: 32168" data-attributes="member: 1318"><p>Hi Lefty- I'm far from being an expert on long distant shooting but I've been shooting and hunting for many decades and maybe I can offer a perspective. I've shot a few deer at just over 500 yards and have even hit a few jackrabbits at similar ranges, but the thought of shooting at a poor Bambi at 1000 yards is beyond the abilities of both me and my equipment. </p><p></p><p>Accuracy is of prime importance. I have several deer rifles that will shoot real close to a half-inch at 100 yards when conditions are good, but when I put up a box at 400 yards I feel lucky when I keep them inside of 6 or 8 inches. Maybe some of these guys can explain why, but I can't, other than maybe wind. That's just the way it works. Also, my rifles are mostly sporter weight guns, not the heavy, long-barreled rifles, with heavy, specialized optics that are needed for long range accuracy.</p><p></p><p>Some of the other posters have mentioned long-for-caliber bullets. Obviously the advantage of these is retained energy at long range and less wind drift. These are a huge factor at 800 or 1000 yards, but within reason not that important at 400 yards unless you are shooting something like a 243. A 115 Ballistic Tip from a 25-06 will do a fine job on a small deer like my AZ whitetails at 500 yards with a good hit, likewise a 130 grain bullet in a 270, but these probably aren't good enough at 800 yards no matter how well you have the range dialed in. </p><p></p><p>I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but the way I see it is that for a "long range" rifle for 400-500 yard shots, with a 3X9 Leupold (which doesn't follow directions worth a **** in my experience), lighter bullets and very flat-shooting rifles have a real value because they extend point blank range a little, but for ranges longer than that very hi velocity drops off in importance in comparison to wind resistance, retained energy, heavy and stable rifles, and optics that can be dialed in to the distant that the shot is taken. An an excellent rest, etc.</p><p></p><p>Apparently there are certain cartridges that are inherently more accurate than others, and it looks to me like these are not normally at the higher end of the velocity scale. I know that the little 6mmBR set a 1000 yard record a few months ago, and I believe that the 308 and the 300 Win mag are legitimate contenders at this distance. Even the Win mag is almost a plodder compared to cartridges like the 30-378 or the long-cased Lazzaroni, but they apparently shoot very well, which is what counts.</p><p></p><p>jmbn</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmbn, post: 32168, member: 1318"] Hi Lefty- I'm far from being an expert on long distant shooting but I've been shooting and hunting for many decades and maybe I can offer a perspective. I've shot a few deer at just over 500 yards and have even hit a few jackrabbits at similar ranges, but the thought of shooting at a poor Bambi at 1000 yards is beyond the abilities of both me and my equipment. Accuracy is of prime importance. I have several deer rifles that will shoot real close to a half-inch at 100 yards when conditions are good, but when I put up a box at 400 yards I feel lucky when I keep them inside of 6 or 8 inches. Maybe some of these guys can explain why, but I can't, other than maybe wind. That's just the way it works. Also, my rifles are mostly sporter weight guns, not the heavy, long-barreled rifles, with heavy, specialized optics that are needed for long range accuracy. Some of the other posters have mentioned long-for-caliber bullets. Obviously the advantage of these is retained energy at long range and less wind drift. These are a huge factor at 800 or 1000 yards, but within reason not that important at 400 yards unless you are shooting something like a 243. A 115 Ballistic Tip from a 25-06 will do a fine job on a small deer like my AZ whitetails at 500 yards with a good hit, likewise a 130 grain bullet in a 270, but these probably aren't good enough at 800 yards no matter how well you have the range dialed in. I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but the way I see it is that for a "long range" rifle for 400-500 yard shots, with a 3X9 Leupold (which doesn't follow directions worth a **** in my experience), lighter bullets and very flat-shooting rifles have a real value because they extend point blank range a little, but for ranges longer than that very hi velocity drops off in importance in comparison to wind resistance, retained energy, heavy and stable rifles, and optics that can be dialed in to the distant that the shot is taken. An an excellent rest, etc. Apparently there are certain cartridges that are inherently more accurate than others, and it looks to me like these are not normally at the higher end of the velocity scale. I know that the little 6mmBR set a 1000 yard record a few months ago, and I believe that the 308 and the 300 Win mag are legitimate contenders at this distance. Even the Win mag is almost a plodder compared to cartridges like the 30-378 or the long-cased Lazzaroni, but they apparently shoot very well, which is what counts. jmbn [/QUOTE]
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