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<blockquote data-quote="Hand Skills" data-source="post: 1521205" data-attributes="member: 103303"><p>I like that the OP brought up bison. So many people love or love to hate Canis Lupus.</p><p></p><p>Why is there no love for the original stewarts of the land?</p><p></p><p>As much as hunters like to focus on biology with a heart beat, there is strong evidence suggesting the carrying capacity of our land is not what it used to be.</p><p></p><p>Some dumb hippy farmers think we have soil problems. Carbon defficient top soil can't hold water. As a result, when it rains the water runs off in flood events.</p><p></p><p>We're told this is global warming. Then we're told global warming doesn't exist. Scientists have solid evidence of a recurring ice age cycle every 100,000yrs. Who is the emperor? Where are his clothes?</p><p></p><p>The fact is, there are few places on earth where herds of large herbivores are doing their jobs fertilizing, cultivating and forcing healthy competition amongst native vegetation.</p><p></p><p>Without predators (like wolves) to move herds of ungulates, the herbivores become parasites themselves. Without pressure they start looking for an easy meal, and now the problem is 3 fold. Not only are they forgetting what their job is, but now they are eating farmer's hay, mingling with medicated bovines where bacteria and disease run rampant.</p><p></p><p>I normally avoid wolf threads because the tonality often reminds me of children shouting 'my dad can beat up your dad'. This one seems a little different. Elements of spirituality and creation, I hope it stays on track!</p><p></p><p>Of course, we are developmentally challenged humans, victims of propaganda and fake news. How long will it take before we realize there is more to good management than a controlled predator population?</p><p></p><p>With 8 billion human mouths to feed on the planet, we are struggling with a global food crisis. Hard to imagine where we would be without Monsanto, Dow and industrial agriculture?</p><p></p><p>I realize this is a thread about wolves on a hunting website. My intention isn't to take an excellent thread off topic.</p><p></p><p>I guess my point is, for better or worse, "It's up to us".</p><p></p><p>Somehow I don't think the creator is going to step in and solve this one for us. Creating some imaginary lines and saying 'well it's up to God, or Biology in there' may seem viable to some given our recent history. Maybe it's a step along the way to admitting we're dumb, we messed up, we don't know how to fix it?</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, we have some pretty smart people out there. Sharing information has never been easier. I believe the challenge here is more in selecting the right experts to represent our interests, rather than compartmentalizing issues and arguing semantics.</p><p></p><p>FWIW, I write this as a Canadian. Maybe it's not my place to comment but we have much in common north of the imaginary line we call a border. To me it seems pretty simple. Use herbivores to intensively graze plants. Together they will take carbon from the air and put it into the ground. More organic carbon in the soil allows for better water retention, moving us from draught/flood to a more balanced precipitation cycle. Australia is way ahead of N.A in this respect. See Dr Christine Jones.</p><p></p><p>Forums are a great place to put our proverbial heads together. I think digging deeper into ecosystem management is important for future generations to have any hope of living with, and not separate from creation.</p><p></p><p>Great thread - please let me know if I'm off in space here. Happy to remove rather than derail!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hand Skills, post: 1521205, member: 103303"] I like that the OP brought up bison. So many people love or love to hate Canis Lupus. Why is there no love for the original stewarts of the land? As much as hunters like to focus on biology with a heart beat, there is strong evidence suggesting the carrying capacity of our land is not what it used to be. Some dumb hippy farmers think we have soil problems. Carbon defficient top soil can't hold water. As a result, when it rains the water runs off in flood events. We're told this is global warming. Then we're told global warming doesn't exist. Scientists have solid evidence of a recurring ice age cycle every 100,000yrs. Who is the emperor? Where are his clothes? The fact is, there are few places on earth where herds of large herbivores are doing their jobs fertilizing, cultivating and forcing healthy competition amongst native vegetation. Without predators (like wolves) to move herds of ungulates, the herbivores become parasites themselves. Without pressure they start looking for an easy meal, and now the problem is 3 fold. Not only are they forgetting what their job is, but now they are eating farmer's hay, mingling with medicated bovines where bacteria and disease run rampant. I normally avoid wolf threads because the tonality often reminds me of children shouting 'my dad can beat up your dad'. This one seems a little different. Elements of spirituality and creation, I hope it stays on track! Of course, we are developmentally challenged humans, victims of propaganda and fake news. How long will it take before we realize there is more to good management than a controlled predator population? With 8 billion human mouths to feed on the planet, we are struggling with a global food crisis. Hard to imagine where we would be without Monsanto, Dow and industrial agriculture? I realize this is a thread about wolves on a hunting website. My intention isn't to take an excellent thread off topic. I guess my point is, for better or worse, "It's up to us". Somehow I don't think the creator is going to step in and solve this one for us. Creating some imaginary lines and saying 'well it's up to God, or Biology in there' may seem viable to some given our recent history. Maybe it's a step along the way to admitting we're dumb, we messed up, we don't know how to fix it? On the other hand, we have some pretty smart people out there. Sharing information has never been easier. I believe the challenge here is more in selecting the right experts to represent our interests, rather than compartmentalizing issues and arguing semantics. FWIW, I write this as a Canadian. Maybe it's not my place to comment but we have much in common north of the imaginary line we call a border. To me it seems pretty simple. Use herbivores to intensively graze plants. Together they will take carbon from the air and put it into the ground. More organic carbon in the soil allows for better water retention, moving us from draught/flood to a more balanced precipitation cycle. Australia is way ahead of N.A in this respect. See Dr Christine Jones. Forums are a great place to put our proverbial heads together. I think digging deeper into ecosystem management is important for future generations to have any hope of living with, and not separate from creation. Great thread - please let me know if I'm off in space here. Happy to remove rather than derail! [/QUOTE]
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