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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2758199" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>Well this is a somewhat loaded question and reading through some of the responses and I am simply amazed at some of the thoughts. First of all there is a big difference between a Pronghorn which adults probably average around 125 pounds (Yes there are some that my weigh more but for the sake of argument I am using 125 as an average adult size.) This makes them smaller than the average adult White Tail Deer which for argument sake may be 150 pounds. Moving on up to Elk compared to either the Pronghorn, White Tale or Mule deer are huge. Again a good average for a bull elk is probably 500 to 600 pounds, maybe more. Is there a one size fits all here? Probably not.[ATTACH=full]442636[/ATTACH]</p><p>The size comparison chart here, obtained from a USDA website gives a pretty good size comparison between deer, elk, horses and moose. Unfortunately they left out Pronghorn which would be smaller than the deer shown here. All of the animals shown here over the years have been successfully hunted with the good old reliable Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 chambered for the almost ancient but still relevant 30-30 Winchester. All of the above are still popular and even still sold today. </p><p></p><p>I have read responses about velocity, energy, size of wound channel as well as bleeding out quickly. All are somewhat relevant with the exception of bleeding out quickly. If the animal needs to bleed out quickly it means that the shot has been misplaced and has not hit the vital area where the heart and lungs are. If one shoots any of these animals in the heart/lung area it will either drop in place or not go very farbefoe finding itself dead. It appears to me, and correct me if I am wrong, which I am sure some will, that the main purpose of this discussion is how to mitigate poor marksmanship by getting larger and larger bullets that go faster and hit harder. Or mitigate the inability to actually hunt the animal in question, finding the animal and getting close enough to make an ethical kill shot. Instead it seems that laying in wait to ambush them at what you call long range with questionable precision. You are seeking a bullet that has sufficient energy to cause a large wound channel so that possibly the animal can bleed out leaving a huge blood trail because you did not really make a good kill shot. Any and all of the animals shown in the comparison above can be killed with a .223 or .243 if you put the bullet in the kill zone and take out the heart and/or lungs. A teeny tiny hole will do just that. One does not have to have large wound channels, just a wound channel in the right spot. For the record I do not condone hunting any of these animals with a .223 but I know there are those of you who do. Let the fur fly!!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite12" alt="o_O" title="Er... what? o_O" loading="lazy" data-shortname="o_O" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2758199, member: 118816"] Well this is a somewhat loaded question and reading through some of the responses and I am simply amazed at some of the thoughts. First of all there is a big difference between a Pronghorn which adults probably average around 125 pounds (Yes there are some that my weigh more but for the sake of argument I am using 125 as an average adult size.) This makes them smaller than the average adult White Tail Deer which for argument sake may be 150 pounds. Moving on up to Elk compared to either the Pronghorn, White Tale or Mule deer are huge. Again a good average for a bull elk is probably 500 to 600 pounds, maybe more. Is there a one size fits all here? Probably not.[ATTACH type="full"]442636[/ATTACH] The size comparison chart here, obtained from a USDA website gives a pretty good size comparison between deer, elk, horses and moose. Unfortunately they left out Pronghorn which would be smaller than the deer shown here. All of the animals shown here over the years have been successfully hunted with the good old reliable Winchester 94 or Marlin 336 chambered for the almost ancient but still relevant 30-30 Winchester. All of the above are still popular and even still sold today. I have read responses about velocity, energy, size of wound channel as well as bleeding out quickly. All are somewhat relevant with the exception of bleeding out quickly. If the animal needs to bleed out quickly it means that the shot has been misplaced and has not hit the vital area where the heart and lungs are. If one shoots any of these animals in the heart/lung area it will either drop in place or not go very farbefoe finding itself dead. It appears to me, and correct me if I am wrong, which I am sure some will, that the main purpose of this discussion is how to mitigate poor marksmanship by getting larger and larger bullets that go faster and hit harder. Or mitigate the inability to actually hunt the animal in question, finding the animal and getting close enough to make an ethical kill shot. Instead it seems that laying in wait to ambush them at what you call long range with questionable precision. You are seeking a bullet that has sufficient energy to cause a large wound channel so that possibly the animal can bleed out leaving a huge blood trail because you did not really make a good kill shot. Any and all of the animals shown in the comparison above can be killed with a .223 or .243 if you put the bullet in the kill zone and take out the heart and/or lungs. A teeny tiny hole will do just that. One does not have to have large wound channels, just a wound channel in the right spot. For the record I do not condone hunting any of these animals with a .223 but I know there are those of you who do. Let the fur fly!!o_O [/QUOTE]
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