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<blockquote data-quote="SansSouci" data-source="post: 1236056" data-attributes="member: 84520"><p>BTW, FEENIX, I wasn't referring to you when I wrote of hunters who believe that the .300 Win Mag in minimum for elk. Many years ago I hunted with a guy who has since managed to get himself elected to a bench in a So Cal court. He used to routinely read hunting magazines, yet he had no actual experience hunting big game. Well, I used to hunt with an incredible hunter who has killed just about everything that can or could've been legally killed in North America, including an Alaskan griz. His trophy room has to have 140 trophies in it. And those are just the trophies he memorialized by taxidermy. BTW, he's the hunter who taught me to close distance if possible rather than attempt a far shot.</p><p></p><p>The judge (before he became judge material) bought himself a brand spanking new Super Grade in .300 Win Mag. He told me that that was the minimum cartridge for Rocky Mountain elk. He said that my 7MM Rem Mag was OK for mule deer and similar sized critters, but it wouldn't work on elk. I never said a thing to him in reply. I'm usually pretty good when it comes to recognizing people who aren't in touch with reality. </p><p></p><p>The judge had himself convinced that gun writers had him well on his way to walls of big game trophies. I told the real hunter that the judge told me that my 7MM Rem Mag (which was created as a long range elk cartridge) was an inappropriate elk cartridge. The real hunter stared at me in disbelief for a few seconds and asked, "Is he [the judge] crazy?" I don't think that the judge was crazy. He was hunting wisdom challenged. </p><p></p><p>We took the judge on a couple Rocky Mountain hunts where he soon learned the realities of hunting: it ain't an easy sport. He sold his big game rifles and took up bird hunting. As far as I know he's never killed a big game trophy of any species. And no, I have not made a bird brain joke about him. However, I do hope he's able to mete out justice. His reading gun magazines and believing that he knew everything about big game hunting because gun writers had published it does cause me concern about his ability to recognize justice. </p><p></p><p>The reality is I've always been good with any suitable cartridge any hunter uses. He knows his business better than me. Who the hell and I to tell him that he went wrong with his choice of rifle and cartridge? If a guy wants to hunt mule deer with a .375 H&H Mag, that's his business, not mine. And my nose doesn't belong in another man's business.</p><p></p><p>I do believe that the .300 Win Mag is one of the best cartridges for North American big game hunting. What I really like about it is it's an inherently super accurate. However, for me, recoil of a .300 Win Mag is more than I'm willing to endure while sitting at a bench. I've seen many men flinch when firing one. I do believe that the 7MM Rem Mag is the largest cartridge that most hunters can bench shoot without developing a finch. Here's more reality: I do own an incredibly accurate 7MM Rem Mag. The truth is a .280 Rem will do everything a 7MM Rem Mag will do. Under hunting conditions, a couple hundred FPS advantage that the 7MM Rem Mag has ain't gonna matter. </p><p></p><p>I'll be hunting mule deer in the Rocky Mountains in less than a month. I love my 7MM Rem Mag because it will shoot very tiny groups. But it's heavy. So I'll use either my Sako AV chambered for .270 Win or my first big game rifle that's over 40 years old: a Remington Model 700 chambered in .270 Win. That rifle has never failed me. It's incredibly accurate. And it's lighter. </p><p></p><p>And no I ain't selling my Sako AV 7MM Rem Mag. I want another Rocky Mountain rut elk hunt. I sincerely wish that every hunter can experience the magnificence of a melodies of dozens of bugling bulls. My guide had me within 10 yards of a 5x5 where we actually watched him bugle. Anyway, I know of a few elk rut hunts. Getting a tag for one is another prayer. I might look in to British Columbia.</p><p></p><p>As for the judge, I had half-thought of sending him a text photo of the massive 7x7 bull I killed with one 160 grain Partition fired from what he thinks is an inadequate elk rifle. But some things are best left buried in long ago hunting seasons. </p><p></p><p>FEENIX, I sincerely wish you many enjoyable hunting seasons.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SansSouci, post: 1236056, member: 84520"] BTW, FEENIX, I wasn't referring to you when I wrote of hunters who believe that the .300 Win Mag in minimum for elk. Many years ago I hunted with a guy who has since managed to get himself elected to a bench in a So Cal court. He used to routinely read hunting magazines, yet he had no actual experience hunting big game. Well, I used to hunt with an incredible hunter who has killed just about everything that can or could've been legally killed in North America, including an Alaskan griz. His trophy room has to have 140 trophies in it. And those are just the trophies he memorialized by taxidermy. BTW, he's the hunter who taught me to close distance if possible rather than attempt a far shot. The judge (before he became judge material) bought himself a brand spanking new Super Grade in .300 Win Mag. He told me that that was the minimum cartridge for Rocky Mountain elk. He said that my 7MM Rem Mag was OK for mule deer and similar sized critters, but it wouldn't work on elk. I never said a thing to him in reply. I'm usually pretty good when it comes to recognizing people who aren't in touch with reality. The judge had himself convinced that gun writers had him well on his way to walls of big game trophies. I told the real hunter that the judge told me that my 7MM Rem Mag (which was created as a long range elk cartridge) was an inappropriate elk cartridge. The real hunter stared at me in disbelief for a few seconds and asked, "Is he [the judge] crazy?" I don't think that the judge was crazy. He was hunting wisdom challenged. We took the judge on a couple Rocky Mountain hunts where he soon learned the realities of hunting: it ain't an easy sport. He sold his big game rifles and took up bird hunting. As far as I know he's never killed a big game trophy of any species. And no, I have not made a bird brain joke about him. However, I do hope he's able to mete out justice. His reading gun magazines and believing that he knew everything about big game hunting because gun writers had published it does cause me concern about his ability to recognize justice. The reality is I've always been good with any suitable cartridge any hunter uses. He knows his business better than me. Who the hell and I to tell him that he went wrong with his choice of rifle and cartridge? If a guy wants to hunt mule deer with a .375 H&H Mag, that's his business, not mine. And my nose doesn't belong in another man's business. I do believe that the .300 Win Mag is one of the best cartridges for North American big game hunting. What I really like about it is it's an inherently super accurate. However, for me, recoil of a .300 Win Mag is more than I'm willing to endure while sitting at a bench. I've seen many men flinch when firing one. I do believe that the 7MM Rem Mag is the largest cartridge that most hunters can bench shoot without developing a finch. Here's more reality: I do own an incredibly accurate 7MM Rem Mag. The truth is a .280 Rem will do everything a 7MM Rem Mag will do. Under hunting conditions, a couple hundred FPS advantage that the 7MM Rem Mag has ain't gonna matter. I'll be hunting mule deer in the Rocky Mountains in less than a month. I love my 7MM Rem Mag because it will shoot very tiny groups. But it's heavy. So I'll use either my Sako AV chambered for .270 Win or my first big game rifle that's over 40 years old: a Remington Model 700 chambered in .270 Win. That rifle has never failed me. It's incredibly accurate. And it's lighter. And no I ain't selling my Sako AV 7MM Rem Mag. I want another Rocky Mountain rut elk hunt. I sincerely wish that every hunter can experience the magnificence of a melodies of dozens of bugling bulls. My guide had me within 10 yards of a 5x5 where we actually watched him bugle. Anyway, I know of a few elk rut hunts. Getting a tag for one is another prayer. I might look in to British Columbia. As for the judge, I had half-thought of sending him a text photo of the massive 7x7 bull I killed with one 160 grain Partition fired from what he thinks is an inadequate elk rifle. But some things are best left buried in long ago hunting seasons. FEENIX, I sincerely wish you many enjoyable hunting seasons. [/QUOTE]
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