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<blockquote data-quote="IdahoCTD" data-source="post: 1235439" data-attributes="member: 13110"><p>Here is my take, and while I haven't been around hundreds of kills like Broz, I have killed close to 40 elk myself and probably witnessed another 25. All shot with calibers from 25-06 to 416 Rem. in centerfires and many with muzzleloaders.</p><p></p><p>The very first elk I shot was with a 308 Baer with 165 partitions at 3350fps. I shot that elk 4 times before it dropped. The next year I was hunting with a 358STA, which was much better. So I built a 375-358STA a few years later and that was even better. I eventually built a 416 Remington. The 375 and 416 would just crush elk with complete pass through shots even in soft tissue like the lungs. I shot one bull in the lungs at 350yds with my 416 using 350 Speers Mag Tips at 2650fps MV. That was one of the fastest deaths I've seen on a animal that big, lights out.</p><p></p><p>After all that I got into muzzleloader hunting for quite a few years until the early 2000's. I built some smaller calibers and tried some of the same Berger's we used to blow rock chucks up with. I had used Bergers on animals smaller than elk for years, way back when there was only the yellow boxes and they didn't say target or hunting on them. After a buddy shot a antelope with a 30-338wm using 190 VLD's at over 600yds and it literally blew the heart out of the antelope, I was pretty turned off for a long time. The bullet made a huge hole on impact and the heart fell out of the chest cavity. The results from trying them on elk was pretty impressive, while not quite as good as the big guns like the 375's and 416's they were pretty close. I'm sure a 338 with 300's would be right there with the big guns, I've just never killed any elk with my 338's. I have killed a fair amount of elk now with 6.5's, 7mm's and 30's using Amax's and Bergers. Displacement is still king but the shock to the animals is way greater with fragile bullets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="IdahoCTD, post: 1235439, member: 13110"] Here is my take, and while I haven't been around hundreds of kills like Broz, I have killed close to 40 elk myself and probably witnessed another 25. All shot with calibers from 25-06 to 416 Rem. in centerfires and many with muzzleloaders. The very first elk I shot was with a 308 Baer with 165 partitions at 3350fps. I shot that elk 4 times before it dropped. The next year I was hunting with a 358STA, which was much better. So I built a 375-358STA a few years later and that was even better. I eventually built a 416 Remington. The 375 and 416 would just crush elk with complete pass through shots even in soft tissue like the lungs. I shot one bull in the lungs at 350yds with my 416 using 350 Speers Mag Tips at 2650fps MV. That was one of the fastest deaths I've seen on a animal that big, lights out. After all that I got into muzzleloader hunting for quite a few years until the early 2000's. I built some smaller calibers and tried some of the same Berger's we used to blow rock chucks up with. I had used Bergers on animals smaller than elk for years, way back when there was only the yellow boxes and they didn't say target or hunting on them. After a buddy shot a antelope with a 30-338wm using 190 VLD's at over 600yds and it literally blew the heart out of the antelope, I was pretty turned off for a long time. The bullet made a huge hole on impact and the heart fell out of the chest cavity. The results from trying them on elk was pretty impressive, while not quite as good as the big guns like the 375's and 416's they were pretty close. I'm sure a 338 with 300's would be right there with the big guns, I've just never killed any elk with my 338's. I have killed a fair amount of elk now with 6.5's, 7mm's and 30's using Amax's and Bergers. Displacement is still king but the shock to the animals is way greater with fragile bullets. [/QUOTE]
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