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Elk and deer and a humble .308
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<blockquote data-quote="4ked Horn" data-source="post: 419548" data-attributes="member: 11"><p>I don't feel you are judging me. Let me cover some of the things coming up in this thread.</p><p></p><p> First, my brothers bullets flat out failed. Period. No expansion. They penciled straight through. This is all my fault. I clobbered a 350 lb black bear with his gun and these bullets worked great but I hit heavier bone. The shot knocked the bear on his side and he died dead in about 10 yards. I assumed they would work on elk as well. Little did I know I would get (and expect) the same result if I were shooting FMJ bullets from any gun. It's not actually energy that causes an animal to hit the ground. Its gross disruption to the nervous system or bleeding to death. Thats why his round, with lots more energy than a .308 failed. </p><p></p><p>I would, with great confidence, plop a deer at 600+ yards with my .308 (all conditions being correct) for 3 reasons: I know I can make the hit, I am confident the new Berger bullets will have at least as good terminal performance as the Noslers I have been using and where I will be shooting deer would require them to run steeply up hill to get away (not a chance).</p><p></p><p>I am looking for info regarding the elk because the area I will be hunting them will most likely put them at ranges exceeding 300 yards and there <em>is</em> the possibility of them running away. So at this point (long before any shots are fired) I am trying to determine where I should draw the line on a "don't shoot" scenario. Basically the farther away from animal we get the greater the chances that something will go wrong. But there is a point where those chances rise exponentially. That is what I am gathering info on. At this point it seems to be around 450-500 yards. Also this is not my only plan. This is just me putting a plan together.</p><p></p><p>Sorry if this reply seems a bit disjointed I am trying to type in a very busy Sunday morning household which includes very loud music to accompany Sunday chores. Now off to help with chores. Maybe a trip to the range this afternoon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="4ked Horn, post: 419548, member: 11"] I don't feel you are judging me. Let me cover some of the things coming up in this thread. First, my brothers bullets flat out failed. Period. No expansion. They penciled straight through. This is all my fault. I clobbered a 350 lb black bear with his gun and these bullets worked great but I hit heavier bone. The shot knocked the bear on his side and he died dead in about 10 yards. I assumed they would work on elk as well. Little did I know I would get (and expect) the same result if I were shooting FMJ bullets from any gun. It's not actually energy that causes an animal to hit the ground. Its gross disruption to the nervous system or bleeding to death. Thats why his round, with lots more energy than a .308 failed. I would, with great confidence, plop a deer at 600+ yards with my .308 (all conditions being correct) for 3 reasons: I know I can make the hit, I am confident the new Berger bullets will have at least as good terminal performance as the Noslers I have been using and where I will be shooting deer would require them to run steeply up hill to get away (not a chance). I am looking for info regarding the elk because the area I will be hunting them will most likely put them at ranges exceeding 300 yards and there [I]is[/I] the possibility of them running away. So at this point (long before any shots are fired) I am trying to determine where I should draw the line on a "don't shoot" scenario. Basically the farther away from animal we get the greater the chances that something will go wrong. But there is a point where those chances rise exponentially. That is what I am gathering info on. At this point it seems to be around 450-500 yards. Also this is not my only plan. This is just me putting a plan together. Sorry if this reply seems a bit disjointed I am trying to type in a very busy Sunday morning household which includes very loud music to accompany Sunday chores. Now off to help with chores. Maybe a trip to the range this afternoon. [/QUOTE]
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