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<blockquote data-quote="Straight-Shot" data-source="post: 2011470" data-attributes="member: 115575"><p>Interesting thread.... I worked up some loads using Berger 7mm VLD Hunting Bullets (that IS on the label) for a mule deer hunt in West Texas. The bullet is easier to tune to the rifle and load than others I've worked with. Wonderfully accurate. I was very excited to be using them on this hunt. </p><p></p><p>However, here is what I experienced.. The bullets fragment - they don't mushroom. Essentially they shred in almost conical fashion from impact to exit (if there is an exit). Other bullets I have used (Hornady, Nosler) mushroom and most of the time punch out the other side. </p><p></p><p>The first doe I took I thought I missed. Shot hit the shoulder (pencil entry) and created a softball size exit through the other shoulder. However, she just stood there for a good while and then started to walk away, started to limp and then fell over. The second doe was hit much the same way, pencil entry in one shoulder and softball size exit on the off side. Again she just stood there then walked about 30 years and fell over. I've never seen that before.</p><p></p><p>The bucks were another matter. The fist one was hit in the shoulder, he laid down. Then he got up and started heading for a canyon. I was fortunate and got a chest shot that anchored him. The second buck required more shots than I want to admit but I didn't understand at the time why my shots (shoulder, lung and heart alignment) weren't doing what I expected. There were no exits on either buck (much bigger animals than the does). Cleaning them showed the damage I described earlier. I was expecting for find lungs etc... liquified as in times past... not the case.. mostly shredded. </p><p></p><p>No animals were lost but due to that experience but I've gone back to Hornady, Nosler etc.. because I think the hydrostatic shock / dumping of energy is more effective than the grenade effect. I realize others will stand by their Berger experience and I don't dispute that...... I am just going to feel more comfortable with a different bullet.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Straight-Shot, post: 2011470, member: 115575"] Interesting thread.... I worked up some loads using Berger 7mm VLD Hunting Bullets (that IS on the label) for a mule deer hunt in West Texas. The bullet is easier to tune to the rifle and load than others I've worked with. Wonderfully accurate. I was very excited to be using them on this hunt. However, here is what I experienced.. The bullets fragment - they don't mushroom. Essentially they shred in almost conical fashion from impact to exit (if there is an exit). Other bullets I have used (Hornady, Nosler) mushroom and most of the time punch out the other side. The first doe I took I thought I missed. Shot hit the shoulder (pencil entry) and created a softball size exit through the other shoulder. However, she just stood there for a good while and then started to walk away, started to limp and then fell over. The second doe was hit much the same way, pencil entry in one shoulder and softball size exit on the off side. Again she just stood there then walked about 30 years and fell over. I've never seen that before. The bucks were another matter. The fist one was hit in the shoulder, he laid down. Then he got up and started heading for a canyon. I was fortunate and got a chest shot that anchored him. The second buck required more shots than I want to admit but I didn't understand at the time why my shots (shoulder, lung and heart alignment) weren't doing what I expected. There were no exits on either buck (much bigger animals than the does). Cleaning them showed the damage I described earlier. I was expecting for find lungs etc... liquified as in times past... not the case.. mostly shredded. No animals were lost but due to that experience but I've gone back to Hornady, Nosler etc.. because I think the hydrostatic shock / dumping of energy is more effective than the grenade effect. I realize others will stand by their Berger experience and I don't dispute that...... I am just going to feel more comfortable with a different bullet. [/QUOTE]
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