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The Basics, Starting Out
Does energy = lethality?
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<blockquote data-quote="Jack R Tishue Jr" data-source="post: 1586784" data-attributes="member: 109081"><p>The point is with barrel length is, a 16" barreled 308 will run out of steam and not even probably reach a 1000 yds. I have seen the 22" barreled M14s, loose enough velocity at 900 to be below sonic at a 1000 and a 308, when it goes subsonic normally so inaccurate it won't hit the target frame , 6ft square, at a 1000 yds. A 16" barreled 308 a toy. O'Connor and all those folks did have scopes. they were around for a long time. But they just didn't believe in shooting that far. O'Connor was famous for saying, all you need is 4x, because anything too far away to shoot at with a 4x too far away to shoot at period. I don't know if I totally agree with that, but there it is. Since where I hunt, E. Coast, a 100 yds shots are long, I generally don't need that much scope. The scopes I like best are my B&L 2 1/2 -8 which have no adjustments in the scope. adjustments in the bases. Leave them on 2 1/2 most of the time. But they not as good brightness wise as todays stuff, for sure. Range finders, at least todays kind, not invented yet and I have one. The trajectory on a bullet at a 1000 yds, so steep, doesn't take much to miss. 25 yds one way or the other can result in a miss. When officiating at a 1000 yds, (we're down in the pits below the targets), bullets hitting the bull at 1000 yds would be hitting the ground at 1100 yds. Target is 10 feet above the ground, so bullet dropping 10 feet in a 100 yds. at that range. I have hunted out west, 1st deer shot in Montana in 1959. Have shot mule deer, goats, and Pdogs out there, so familiar with the area.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jack R Tishue Jr, post: 1586784, member: 109081"] The point is with barrel length is, a 16" barreled 308 will run out of steam and not even probably reach a 1000 yds. I have seen the 22" barreled M14s, loose enough velocity at 900 to be below sonic at a 1000 and a 308, when it goes subsonic normally so inaccurate it won't hit the target frame , 6ft square, at a 1000 yds. A 16" barreled 308 a toy. O'Connor and all those folks did have scopes. they were around for a long time. But they just didn't believe in shooting that far. O'Connor was famous for saying, all you need is 4x, because anything too far away to shoot at with a 4x too far away to shoot at period. I don't know if I totally agree with that, but there it is. Since where I hunt, E. Coast, a 100 yds shots are long, I generally don't need that much scope. The scopes I like best are my B&L 2 1/2 -8 which have no adjustments in the scope. adjustments in the bases. Leave them on 2 1/2 most of the time. But they not as good brightness wise as todays stuff, for sure. Range finders, at least todays kind, not invented yet and I have one. The trajectory on a bullet at a 1000 yds, so steep, doesn't take much to miss. 25 yds one way or the other can result in a miss. When officiating at a 1000 yds, (we're down in the pits below the targets), bullets hitting the bull at 1000 yds would be hitting the ground at 1100 yds. Target is 10 feet above the ground, so bullet dropping 10 feet in a 100 yds. at that range. I have hunted out west, 1st deer shot in Montana in 1959. Have shot mule deer, goats, and Pdogs out there, so familiar with the area. [/QUOTE]
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