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<blockquote data-quote="DartonJager" data-source="post: 1302434" data-attributes="member: 95733"><p>I suspect I am being misunderstood as to the intention and motivation behind my reasons for originating this question in the first place. Until I recently was made aware of the rather large number of threads (by anyone standards) suggesting Leupolds QC had begun to slip I was stead fast in my belief that ALL of the scopes Leupold had ever produced were of the same excellent quality and durability standards as were the six quite old long discontinued VariX-II's that I presently own as well as the two nearly as equally old and discontinued Japanese made Wind River roof prism binos have been and continue to be. </p><p> </p><p>My faith in Leupold is why it never ever occurred to me to bother to research Leupolds QC of their optics. Once I did I found a alarming number of threads dating back to as early as 2005 claiming leupold had gone through a sort of changing of the old guard if you will and the new management had enacted new cost savings policies concerning the manufacturing of their scopes most notable of which was the incorporation of Chinese made components in the internal workings of their scopes especially in the erector systems.</p><p> </p><p>I even found a older 12 or 15 page long thread here at LRH discussing at length the same EXACT subject I as my thread concerning had a serious degradation of Leupold QC occurred. If anyone cared to go to the link I posted that takes you to a 7 page long thread about Leupold QC also. </p><p> </p><p>I also thought I had made it plane I was in no way bashing Leupold and wasn't trying to afford an opportunity for it to be done, as I have stated repeatedly I own a large number of Leupold optics all of which have served me with excellence.</p><p> </p><p>My purpose was to get the opinions of more experienced members here on weather or not Leupolds QC had actually become questionable since post 2005 or some time during the last 10 years or so as after reading pages upon pages of people sighting serious issues with upper end VX-III's and VX-3i's and giving large amount of detailed information to substantiate their complaints concerning poor Leupold QC, as I said these claims included the author posting their name and the names of the person or persons they dealt with at Leupold including the problem with their scope and the repair sheet leupold sent back to them with their scope post repair. </p><p> </p><p>I didn't base my decision to return the VX-3i I bought on a few or even a dozen or so negative posts, I returned it because I read page upon page after page of negative posts concerning a alleged reduction of QC at Leupold that date from as early as 2005 and continued to present day. I admit it ran the risk of a bit of knee jerk reaction on my part, but this scope who ever I end up buying it from will be my primary hunting scope and no other piece of equipment I will ever use on any rifle hunt occupies a higher level of importance in deciding the success or failure of my hunts than it. We rifle hunters all face one inescapable fact withal rifles we have in hand at any and all moments of all hunts, if the scope for what ever reason fails us the rifle in our hands instantly transforms into nothing more than a very expensive club.</p><p> </p><p>I also did similar searches for Vortex and even Sightron and yes some negative threads popped up but not in the same no# as Leupold, can this difference be attributed to Leupold making a much larger no# of scopes than Vortex or Sightron? I can not answer that.</p><p> </p><p>Everyone is entitled to their choice of which scope to buy or not. I also came to a realization of sorts in I'm beginning to strongly suspect there is a large difference in the reliability of "set it and forget it" type scopes which describe all the ones I presently own and ones designed specifically with target style adjustment knobs for elevation and wind, for obvious reasons the adjustable scopes are far more prone to problems than SAF types.</p><p> </p><p>Bottom line IMHO based on all available information I will not be buying a Leupold any time soon that has target style adjustment knobs. I'm sure others (quite possibly more informed and undoubtedly more knowledgeable than I) will not share my opinion and I respect that completely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DartonJager, post: 1302434, member: 95733"] I suspect I am being misunderstood as to the intention and motivation behind my reasons for originating this question in the first place. Until I recently was made aware of the rather large number of threads (by anyone standards) suggesting Leupolds QC had begun to slip I was stead fast in my belief that ALL of the scopes Leupold had ever produced were of the same excellent quality and durability standards as were the six quite old long discontinued VariX-II's that I presently own as well as the two nearly as equally old and discontinued Japanese made Wind River roof prism binos have been and continue to be. My faith in Leupold is why it never ever occurred to me to bother to research Leupolds QC of their optics. Once I did I found a alarming number of threads dating back to as early as 2005 claiming leupold had gone through a sort of changing of the old guard if you will and the new management had enacted new cost savings policies concerning the manufacturing of their scopes most notable of which was the incorporation of Chinese made components in the internal workings of their scopes especially in the erector systems. I even found a older 12 or 15 page long thread here at LRH discussing at length the same EXACT subject I as my thread concerning had a serious degradation of Leupold QC occurred. If anyone cared to go to the link I posted that takes you to a 7 page long thread about Leupold QC also. I also thought I had made it plane I was in no way bashing Leupold and wasn't trying to afford an opportunity for it to be done, as I have stated repeatedly I own a large number of Leupold optics all of which have served me with excellence. My purpose was to get the opinions of more experienced members here on weather or not Leupolds QC had actually become questionable since post 2005 or some time during the last 10 years or so as after reading pages upon pages of people sighting serious issues with upper end VX-III's and VX-3i's and giving large amount of detailed information to substantiate their complaints concerning poor Leupold QC, as I said these claims included the author posting their name and the names of the person or persons they dealt with at Leupold including the problem with their scope and the repair sheet leupold sent back to them with their scope post repair. I didn't base my decision to return the VX-3i I bought on a few or even a dozen or so negative posts, I returned it because I read page upon page after page of negative posts concerning a alleged reduction of QC at Leupold that date from as early as 2005 and continued to present day. I admit it ran the risk of a bit of knee jerk reaction on my part, but this scope who ever I end up buying it from will be my primary hunting scope and no other piece of equipment I will ever use on any rifle hunt occupies a higher level of importance in deciding the success or failure of my hunts than it. We rifle hunters all face one inescapable fact withal rifles we have in hand at any and all moments of all hunts, if the scope for what ever reason fails us the rifle in our hands instantly transforms into nothing more than a very expensive club. I also did similar searches for Vortex and even Sightron and yes some negative threads popped up but not in the same no# as Leupold, can this difference be attributed to Leupold making a much larger no# of scopes than Vortex or Sightron? I can not answer that. Everyone is entitled to their choice of which scope to buy or not. I also came to a realization of sorts in I'm beginning to strongly suspect there is a large difference in the reliability of "set it and forget it" type scopes which describe all the ones I presently own and ones designed specifically with target style adjustment knobs for elevation and wind, for obvious reasons the adjustable scopes are far more prone to problems than SAF types. Bottom line IMHO based on all available information I will not be buying a Leupold any time soon that has target style adjustment knobs. I'm sure others (quite possibly more informed and undoubtedly more knowledgeable than I) will not share my opinion and I respect that completely. [/QUOTE]
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