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<blockquote data-quote="Darryl Cassel" data-source="post: 53067" data-attributes="member: 34"><p>Hello Tom and Tim</p><p></p><p>Tom, as Tim mentioned, measure from outside to outside and then subtract the bullet diameter or if you have a measuring device that has the ability to measure from "center to center" is the way we do it at the Williamsport 1000 yd matches.</p><p></p><p>The comment that Tim made as per buying the Lottery ticket is a very good one however, your first time out with a factory comfiguration I would say if you break 15" (10 Shot group) at 1000 yards during a sanctioned match your doing better then average. I'm judgeing this on the results from Williamsport over the past 16 years.</p><p></p><p>We have had the Army team, the Marine team and a couple Navy Seals come to Williamsport from time to time over the years and the statement they make is---WE will not be back as we can't figure the wind out here. They didn't do very well at all and were soundly beaten by the regulars who have not figured the wind out there either. They have just figured a way to put 10 shots downrange as fast as 30 seconds or less before the conditions change. </p><p>In defense of the Military shooters, most of them shot from a prone position and that in itself put those shooters at a dis-advantage against some very good benchrest LR shooters.</p><p>I think the best group I saw from the Military shooters was 17" for a 10 shot group string. </p><p></p><p>When a new guy comes to Williamsport, he is afraid he won't keep all 10 shots on paper. I try to put them at ease by saying, you'll do fine and I'm sure you will keep them all on the target and we will make sure we get you on paper during the sighter round. The rest is up to you.</p><p></p><p>Good luck to you and let us know how well you did at 1000 yards.</p><p></p><p>One more thing.</p><p>If you shoot early in the morning or late in the evening is the best time to try for groups. The wind normally dies down during that time.</p><p>Most sanctioned matches are set up to start at 9:00AM and if your lucky enough to get an early relay, you will, 9 out of 10 times, find that those relays have the best results of the day.</p><p></p><p>DC</p><p></p><p>[ 04-16-2003: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Darryl Cassel, post: 53067, member: 34"] Hello Tom and Tim Tom, as Tim mentioned, measure from outside to outside and then subtract the bullet diameter or if you have a measuring device that has the ability to measure from "center to center" is the way we do it at the Williamsport 1000 yd matches. The comment that Tim made as per buying the Lottery ticket is a very good one however, your first time out with a factory comfiguration I would say if you break 15" (10 Shot group) at 1000 yards during a sanctioned match your doing better then average. I'm judgeing this on the results from Williamsport over the past 16 years. We have had the Army team, the Marine team and a couple Navy Seals come to Williamsport from time to time over the years and the statement they make is---WE will not be back as we can't figure the wind out here. They didn't do very well at all and were soundly beaten by the regulars who have not figured the wind out there either. They have just figured a way to put 10 shots downrange as fast as 30 seconds or less before the conditions change. In defense of the Military shooters, most of them shot from a prone position and that in itself put those shooters at a dis-advantage against some very good benchrest LR shooters. I think the best group I saw from the Military shooters was 17" for a 10 shot group string. When a new guy comes to Williamsport, he is afraid he won't keep all 10 shots on paper. I try to put them at ease by saying, you'll do fine and I'm sure you will keep them all on the target and we will make sure we get you on paper during the sighter round. The rest is up to you. Good luck to you and let us know how well you did at 1000 yards. One more thing. If you shoot early in the morning or late in the evening is the best time to try for groups. The wind normally dies down during that time. Most sanctioned matches are set up to start at 9:00AM and if your lucky enough to get an early relay, you will, 9 out of 10 times, find that those relays have the best results of the day. DC [ 04-16-2003: Message edited by: Darryl Cassel ] [/QUOTE]
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