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delemma...what 338 chambered rifle to start with?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ian M" data-source="post: 8723" data-attributes="member: 25"><p>Darryl,</p><p>I know a guy who puts on a welder's helmet, heavy leather gloves and one of those padded leather aprons when he tests handloads in his pistols - quite a sight! His guns have let go so this is a reasonable precaution...</p><p></p><p>You are right-on describing your shooting challenges vs those of other guys. With all due respect for some very serious shooters on this board, most guys could never comprehend what training, skill and equipment is necessary to release that last shot, fifth, tenth or whatever to make a perfect score or world record group. I have a hell of a time breaking the fifty shot when I have a good group going, can't imagine what it would be like to have so much riding on one bullet. </p><p></p><p>I believe that we would have to walk in those boots to get into that level of shooting. I also think that the level of dedication is not comprehensible to most shooters, because few people focus their lives to that degree.</p><p></p><p>Would sure be interesting if someone could quantify the degree of challenge between firing the final shot to make a new world benchrest or Camp Perry type record at 100 or at 1000, compared to making a really long shot on a big game animal. They are both one shot deals, that make or break dreams.</p><p></p><p>I have shot in international competitions (Bisley for instance) in the past and tasted a small degree of that intensity. That is another world from my current shooting life, but clanging steel plates out to 1000 yards and killing deer out at 600 yards is offering the fun and challenges that I can afford and handle today...</p><p> </p><p>Wyo obviously takes a lot of pride in his equipment and this site has enabled us to watch him (and others) grow into LR shooting. Old farts like yourself have pretty much been there, have learned to talk to the talk and you probably sometimes get exasperated when others do not understand some of the intracasies. Shooting "conditions" is an example - believe it or not I do that when we are trying to tip over 12 inch plates at 1000 yards. But understanding the concept, and putting it into real use are two totally different things, and both are very foreign to many shooters. Reading mirage and other natural wind indicators is one of the biggest challenges. I have been in awe of this skill when I shot with Steve Suttles, ex Viet Nam marine sniper who sees wind in MOA, looks through a scope and sees dots and a target but his mind does the math or correlates his unbeleivable experience and speaks out MOA - that is an awsome ability to have achieved.</p><p>January is a bitch, too much time to think about this **** instead of pullling the trigger <img src="http://images/icons/frown.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ian M, post: 8723, member: 25"] Darryl, I know a guy who puts on a welder's helmet, heavy leather gloves and one of those padded leather aprons when he tests handloads in his pistols - quite a sight! His guns have let go so this is a reasonable precaution... You are right-on describing your shooting challenges vs those of other guys. With all due respect for some very serious shooters on this board, most guys could never comprehend what training, skill and equipment is necessary to release that last shot, fifth, tenth or whatever to make a perfect score or world record group. I have a hell of a time breaking the fifty shot when I have a good group going, can't imagine what it would be like to have so much riding on one bullet. I believe that we would have to walk in those boots to get into that level of shooting. I also think that the level of dedication is not comprehensible to most shooters, because few people focus their lives to that degree. Would sure be interesting if someone could quantify the degree of challenge between firing the final shot to make a new world benchrest or Camp Perry type record at 100 or at 1000, compared to making a really long shot on a big game animal. They are both one shot deals, that make or break dreams. I have shot in international competitions (Bisley for instance) in the past and tasted a small degree of that intensity. That is another world from my current shooting life, but clanging steel plates out to 1000 yards and killing deer out at 600 yards is offering the fun and challenges that I can afford and handle today... Wyo obviously takes a lot of pride in his equipment and this site has enabled us to watch him (and others) grow into LR shooting. Old farts like yourself have pretty much been there, have learned to talk to the talk and you probably sometimes get exasperated when others do not understand some of the intracasies. Shooting "conditions" is an example - believe it or not I do that when we are trying to tip over 12 inch plates at 1000 yards. But understanding the concept, and putting it into real use are two totally different things, and both are very foreign to many shooters. Reading mirage and other natural wind indicators is one of the biggest challenges. I have been in awe of this skill when I shot with Steve Suttles, ex Viet Nam marine sniper who sees wind in MOA, looks through a scope and sees dots and a target but his mind does the math or correlates his unbeleivable experience and speaks out MOA - that is an awsome ability to have achieved. January is a bitch, too much time to think about this **** instead of pullling the trigger [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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