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<blockquote data-quote="mrbb" data-source="post: 1173477" data-attributes="member: 11837"><p>I am a member of a camp in sullivain/bradford county area, and BIG stores YES are 40+ minutes away, but we have and HAVE had smaller stores that carry basic's, and since the NG boob, a LOT more things have opened up near us</p><p> I have hunted Woodcock in many stream and creek bottoms on a farm I have hunted for 30+ yrs</p><p> have 3 professional dog trainers that used to BEG for access to train there dogs(they did them hunt tests up and down the east coast and won a LOT of trophy's, pup's start at about 2k)</p><p></p><p> and say from the late 70's's to late 90's wood cock would YES migrate there and would have LOADS of them, could flush 20-50 a day of you wanted to keep going</p><p> used to be able to limit out on grouse there at will</p><p></p><p> from the late 90's every yr just got less and less, from about 2008 or so up, I have NEVER even seen a grouse or wood cock on the lands, and I spend a TON Of hrs every yr AL yr on the farms</p><p> also haven't seen a rabbit there any where BUT around the house's</p><p>where it seems I see MOST of them anymore</p><p></p><p> having owned and hunted over a LOT of great bird dogs and as such spend a ton of time walking late season fields with snow on</p><p></p><p> its RARE to see rabbit tracks anymore on the game lands we travel to looking for late season pheasants</p><p> same as in all the old coal mine places I used to hunt for grouse and flush 10-15 an hr</p><p> now, lucky if I flush 2-5 a season!</p><p> and its habitat that I believe is the difference, lack of GOOD quality food ALL YR</p><p></p><p>and that's the key, ALL YR, just cause folks walk in early fall and late summer scouting and see lots of green</p><p> come this time of yr and what is there</p><p></p><p> over browsed woods, lack of GOOD cover and food, in FAR too many places, to sustain many game animals in higher numbers</p><p></p><p>the forests got this way from poor management, and to date, I FEEL, there has been way too little effort to correct</p><p> yes some, to quiet some from complaining</p><p> but again, PA has 4+million acres of PUBLIC Lands to work with here</p><p> do the math on timber, and funds it could bring to enhance things better</p><p></p><p> YES PA has game, if you work hard enough and like to travel a lot, you can be productive</p><p>BUT I recall the yrs when game was in more places</p><p>there is NO shortage of game lands(love to have more though LOL)</p><p> so there is room for improvement</p><p>timber MORE . get more $$ for the budget and </p><p>use that $$ to do better things!</p><p> This is my point!</p><p> it could always better, and most times it $$ that stops things(red tape too)</p><p> but the fact the PA GC sits on a millions of timber, and then at times cry about budget's</p><p> doesn't sit well with me</p><p> one thing to be broke, and not have a way to get by, but they do, and they don't even have to to the work, the timber company will harvest the timber, and they just get PAID!</p><p> so shouldn't take up anymore MAN hours! win win if you ask me!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mrbb, post: 1173477, member: 11837"] I am a member of a camp in sullivain/bradford county area, and BIG stores YES are 40+ minutes away, but we have and HAVE had smaller stores that carry basic's, and since the NG boob, a LOT more things have opened up near us I have hunted Woodcock in many stream and creek bottoms on a farm I have hunted for 30+ yrs have 3 professional dog trainers that used to BEG for access to train there dogs(they did them hunt tests up and down the east coast and won a LOT of trophy's, pup's start at about 2k) and say from the late 70's's to late 90's wood cock would YES migrate there and would have LOADS of them, could flush 20-50 a day of you wanted to keep going used to be able to limit out on grouse there at will from the late 90's every yr just got less and less, from about 2008 or so up, I have NEVER even seen a grouse or wood cock on the lands, and I spend a TON Of hrs every yr AL yr on the farms also haven't seen a rabbit there any where BUT around the house's where it seems I see MOST of them anymore having owned and hunted over a LOT of great bird dogs and as such spend a ton of time walking late season fields with snow on its RARE to see rabbit tracks anymore on the game lands we travel to looking for late season pheasants same as in all the old coal mine places I used to hunt for grouse and flush 10-15 an hr now, lucky if I flush 2-5 a season! and its habitat that I believe is the difference, lack of GOOD quality food ALL YR and that's the key, ALL YR, just cause folks walk in early fall and late summer scouting and see lots of green come this time of yr and what is there over browsed woods, lack of GOOD cover and food, in FAR too many places, to sustain many game animals in higher numbers the forests got this way from poor management, and to date, I FEEL, there has been way too little effort to correct yes some, to quiet some from complaining but again, PA has 4+million acres of PUBLIC Lands to work with here do the math on timber, and funds it could bring to enhance things better YES PA has game, if you work hard enough and like to travel a lot, you can be productive BUT I recall the yrs when game was in more places there is NO shortage of game lands(love to have more though LOL) so there is room for improvement timber MORE . get more $$ for the budget and use that $$ to do better things! This is my point! it could always better, and most times it $$ that stops things(red tape too) but the fact the PA GC sits on a millions of timber, and then at times cry about budget's doesn't sit well with me one thing to be broke, and not have a way to get by, but they do, and they don't even have to to the work, the timber company will harvest the timber, and they just get PAID! so shouldn't take up anymore MAN hours! win win if you ask me! [/QUOTE]
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