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Dangerous Game Rifle Recommendations?
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<blockquote data-quote="Trickymissfit" data-source="post: 1104203" data-attributes="member: 25383"><p>* how far does that car roll after being hit? A typical bear attack starts at fifty feet, and can come from any direction (often from right behind you). That big fat bear can move along at 30mph. Has four inch long claws that will rip your head off in one swipe. That bear may go a hundred feet after being hit with a .505 Gibbs. Then he may drop instantly. Want to take the chance?</p><p> </p><p>* Another small issue here is the case design. It's well known that serious dangerous game cartridges are almost always rimmed. Why? Positive extraction is one of them. Nothing is allowed to fail, as the results are ugly. You can have a round with 10K ft.lb. of energy, but if it simply blows right thru the animal your lucky to give him 3300ft.lb. of energy at fifty feet. On the other hand if you hit him with a round that has 2500ft.lb. of energy, but only goes in eight inches. The animal gets it all. That 12 gauge lion slug is starting to look better all the time!</p><p> </p><p>I used to know a gunsmith that worked on nothing but big bore doubles. A trip over to his place would literally show you a million dollars worth of doubles right out of Europe. Folks would send him rifles to tune up and INSPECT prior to trips to Africa. His care and love for them was amazing, and trust me this guy was one of the best gunsmiths in North America. As beautiful as the rifles were (and a few shotguns), one could easily see they were a serious design. Under all that gold inlay and engraving was some of the finest machine work I've ever seen. I asked him about those rounds that looked like cigars, and he went into great detail about why this was done and that was done. The sights were a work of art, but you also noticed your eye picked them up instantly! The stocks were fit to each individual. With all this in mind, he had a love affair with lever action rifles. Trust me he had several that were as nice as the doubles. He built a couple bolt guns for me as a favor. (I used to do a lot of machine work for him) I asked him once why he rarely shot one or even worked on them. He showed me a Griffen Howe in .416 Rigby, and said it was about as big a bolt gun you could have and still be reliable. Why? Recoil and it's after effects were the problem. Then he pointed to the magazine box, and said it was the issue with big bore high recoil fire arms. The crimp won't always hold, and the bullet will change it's seating depth causing a major compressed charge. More than one 45 caliber bullet has blown up over this alone (yes even with solids). </p><p>gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Trickymissfit, post: 1104203, member: 25383"] * how far does that car roll after being hit? A typical bear attack starts at fifty feet, and can come from any direction (often from right behind you). That big fat bear can move along at 30mph. Has four inch long claws that will rip your head off in one swipe. That bear may go a hundred feet after being hit with a .505 Gibbs. Then he may drop instantly. Want to take the chance? * Another small issue here is the case design. It's well known that serious dangerous game cartridges are almost always rimmed. Why? Positive extraction is one of them. Nothing is allowed to fail, as the results are ugly. You can have a round with 10K ft.lb. of energy, but if it simply blows right thru the animal your lucky to give him 3300ft.lb. of energy at fifty feet. On the other hand if you hit him with a round that has 2500ft.lb. of energy, but only goes in eight inches. The animal gets it all. That 12 gauge lion slug is starting to look better all the time! I used to know a gunsmith that worked on nothing but big bore doubles. A trip over to his place would literally show you a million dollars worth of doubles right out of Europe. Folks would send him rifles to tune up and INSPECT prior to trips to Africa. His care and love for them was amazing, and trust me this guy was one of the best gunsmiths in North America. As beautiful as the rifles were (and a few shotguns), one could easily see they were a serious design. Under all that gold inlay and engraving was some of the finest machine work I've ever seen. I asked him about those rounds that looked like cigars, and he went into great detail about why this was done and that was done. The sights were a work of art, but you also noticed your eye picked them up instantly! The stocks were fit to each individual. With all this in mind, he had a love affair with lever action rifles. Trust me he had several that were as nice as the doubles. He built a couple bolt guns for me as a favor. (I used to do a lot of machine work for him) I asked him once why he rarely shot one or even worked on them. He showed me a Griffen Howe in .416 Rigby, and said it was about as big a bolt gun you could have and still be reliable. Why? Recoil and it's after effects were the problem. Then he pointed to the magazine box, and said it was the issue with big bore high recoil fire arms. The crimp won't always hold, and the bullet will change it's seating depth causing a major compressed charge. More than one 45 caliber bullet has blown up over this alone (yes even with solids). gary [/QUOTE]
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