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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2495548" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>I don't think I am following your line of reasoning. It has been my experience that if a bullet leaves the barrel so as to hit a certain point then the following round fired the same way at the same target leaving the barrel at the same approximate speed will impact the target in the same spot as the previous shot. Accuracy comes from the rifle no matter if it cost $100 or $10,000 the rifle is going to send the bullet into flight the exact same way shot after shot and if it is shooting a 1/2 MOA group it will continue at 1/2 MOA until external factors cause it to wander. What external factors are we talking about? Well first of all there is the ammunition. How consistent is it? How much variation was there as it came out of the barrel? Wind has an affect on MOA accuracy, especially if it is gusting between each shot or varies from the muzzle to the target which is not uncommon especially when shooting at long range. Mirage, well that is more or less a shooters problem not a rifle issue. Constantly changing mirage will not change the bullet's accuracy, only where the illusion of a perfect shot was the second the trigger was pulled which depending on the range and intensity of the mirage can make the bullet hit several inches from where the shooter thought it was going to hit. Is that the rifle or bullets fault? No, only the shooters issue. The rifle is still sending the bullet out of the barrel and down range at 1/2 MOA it's other factors that influence the point of impact, not the tool regardless of manufacturer, model or caliber as long as we are comparing the same caliber side to side does not matter if its a Mossberg, Ruger, Tikka, Winchester, or any other out of the box rifle that shoots 1/2 MOA against any custom rifle that shoots 1/2 MOA there will be virtually no difference as far as the rifle/bullet's ability to continue to march at it's initial 1/2 MOA ride along the air currents to the target. A custom gun will not shoot any better than a equivalent out of the box gun providing they are both shooting identical groups at 100 yards. </p><p></p><p>In regards to your comment about rimfire's running out steam at relatively short distances explain that to the woodchuck who got knocked off of the stump it was sitting on at 125 yards or a squirrel at 150 who simply rolled over when that little tiny Winchester 40 gr hollow point made contact. Yes, just like any other cartridge the diminutive 22 LR or for that matter the .22 WMR start losing velocity the second they leave the muzzle and due to the round nose design lose velocity faster than a pointed tip bullet but with the right rifle, right ammo and the right nut behind the sights the max effective range is probably between 150 and 200 yards on an creature that will be affected by the somewhat slow velocity and energy when hit. Chipmunks, squirrels and similar small animals are likely to succumb to the impact and penetration of the slow moving low energy bullet. </p><p></p><p>I am sure this next comment will get some of you arguing. The .22 is similar to the 6.5 Creedmoor in that it starts out slow compared to others but runs out of enough energy to cleanly kill large animals at ranges over about 300 yards while punching a hole in paper at 1000 to 1400 yards is a piece of cake. It's easy to kill paper, but not animals.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2495548, member: 118816"] I don't think I am following your line of reasoning. It has been my experience that if a bullet leaves the barrel so as to hit a certain point then the following round fired the same way at the same target leaving the barrel at the same approximate speed will impact the target in the same spot as the previous shot. Accuracy comes from the rifle no matter if it cost $100 or $10,000 the rifle is going to send the bullet into flight the exact same way shot after shot and if it is shooting a 1/2 MOA group it will continue at 1/2 MOA until external factors cause it to wander. What external factors are we talking about? Well first of all there is the ammunition. How consistent is it? How much variation was there as it came out of the barrel? Wind has an affect on MOA accuracy, especially if it is gusting between each shot or varies from the muzzle to the target which is not uncommon especially when shooting at long range. Mirage, well that is more or less a shooters problem not a rifle issue. Constantly changing mirage will not change the bullet's accuracy, only where the illusion of a perfect shot was the second the trigger was pulled which depending on the range and intensity of the mirage can make the bullet hit several inches from where the shooter thought it was going to hit. Is that the rifle or bullets fault? No, only the shooters issue. The rifle is still sending the bullet out of the barrel and down range at 1/2 MOA it's other factors that influence the point of impact, not the tool regardless of manufacturer, model or caliber as long as we are comparing the same caliber side to side does not matter if its a Mossberg, Ruger, Tikka, Winchester, or any other out of the box rifle that shoots 1/2 MOA against any custom rifle that shoots 1/2 MOA there will be virtually no difference as far as the rifle/bullet's ability to continue to march at it's initial 1/2 MOA ride along the air currents to the target. A custom gun will not shoot any better than a equivalent out of the box gun providing they are both shooting identical groups at 100 yards. In regards to your comment about rimfire's running out steam at relatively short distances explain that to the woodchuck who got knocked off of the stump it was sitting on at 125 yards or a squirrel at 150 who simply rolled over when that little tiny Winchester 40 gr hollow point made contact. Yes, just like any other cartridge the diminutive 22 LR or for that matter the .22 WMR start losing velocity the second they leave the muzzle and due to the round nose design lose velocity faster than a pointed tip bullet but with the right rifle, right ammo and the right nut behind the sights the max effective range is probably between 150 and 200 yards on an creature that will be affected by the somewhat slow velocity and energy when hit. Chipmunks, squirrels and similar small animals are likely to succumb to the impact and penetration of the slow moving low energy bullet. I am sure this next comment will get some of you arguing. The .22 is similar to the 6.5 Creedmoor in that it starts out slow compared to others but runs out of enough energy to cleanly kill large animals at ranges over about 300 yards while punching a hole in paper at 1000 to 1400 yards is a piece of cake. It's easy to kill paper, but not animals. [/QUOTE]
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