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Copper Monos - How to choose the right weight(and maybe caliber)?
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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 2623739" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday</p><p>In response to Steve's post I've quoted I'll clear a couple things up as his fat fingers @ it again lol</p><p></p><p>The 375 first off was a 12 twist ok that's about it lol</p><p>Yes a 375 cal 248 hh is the go to pill for a camp gun for my mates clients buff to dogs & a lot of critters in between nothing fancy just facts from the fur calculator that showed what killed superior & all of the pills on buff we tried in 375 that trip with hammers equaled (1 pill ) or out preformed ( multiple pills ) Barnes 270/300&350 gr pills used extensively in the past trips among a lot of other brands</p><p></p><p>So for the smart ones out there's please explain to this dumb farmer how a 30 cal 124 gr pill @4 k impact can smash the knuckle joint on a bovine yet still make the far side destroying lungs heart like the bigger pills would be proud to achieve <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /></p><p>I'll get photos & I replicated this also on a number of bovines yet every other brand I've tested failed & some a lot heavier than 124 ( yes every other brand I've tested as composition of metal usual becomes brittle or splats @ these velocities or approaching them ) also other velocities are tested</p><p></p><p>Moving on a bit Velocity is usually key with monos & around 2200 on average preformance drops off pretty quickly but 2400 is a safer limit a few work lower but not many & if they do velocity limits usually apply so no free lunch it's using that velocity window to the best advantage that serves us best</p><p></p><p>Then we have !!! get ready feenix & Petey & the other hammer lovers <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤪" title="Zany face :zany_face:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f92a.png" data-shortname=":zany_face:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😜" title="Winking face with tongue :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61c.png" data-shortname=":stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:" /> </p><p></p><p>Yep Hammers I have not been able to kill these pills & believe me I've tried & just think how crazy I am a 2000lb asiatic with a 30 cal 124 hh & walk in on them to just see if it can be done yep that's me ( I did test on other smaller bovines prior to this ) & how much faith I have in them</p><p></p><p>Yet I also test on very minimal resistances as that's where monos usually fail although some new brands that come out lately address this pretty well with good results but I've also got data over a lot of years & brands on certain angles / resistances these same pills show a less than ideal preformance base , all the new ones really are doing is refining a old process but hammers are different & in their own league ( 2 key areas show up & a guy from my home forum finally got it through my thick skull ) </p><p>Yes I'm extremely fussy & this is not done / put out to suck up to Steve it's to hopefully help others in the journey & get that critter on the wall or in the freezer with a little more certainty add that to individuals results & a wealth of knowledge is gained by all yep it's this simple </p><p></p><p>What Steve done with the 137hh has been nothing short of outstanding on a subtle change can have such a big increase in preformance ( yet the old 137 killed well just not like the 124 ) & this testing isn't just theory based it's put through critters time & time again to see if it works</p><p>& I think the 137 has slightly got the 124 but time will tell if this thought holds true yep more critters to come </p><p></p><p>I've got to go & will get pics when I can ,</p><p>no proof read so accept my apology & on my writing skills once again yep they suck I no </p><p></p><p>I live by the fur calculator as that shows what's real , well to a dumb farmer anyway</p><p></p><p>Look forward to learning from the smart ones</p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 2623739, member: 120504"] Gday In response to Steve’s post I’ve quoted I’ll clear a couple things up as his fat fingers @ it again lol The 375 first off was a 12 twist ok that’s about it lol Yes a 375 cal 248 hh is the go to pill for a camp gun for my mates clients buff to dogs & a lot of critters in between nothing fancy just facts from the fur calculator that showed what killed superior & all of the pills on buff we tried in 375 that trip with hammers equaled (1 pill ) or out preformed ( multiple pills ) Barnes 270/300&350 gr pills used extensively in the past trips among a lot of other brands So for the smart ones out there’s please explain to this dumb farmer how a 30 cal 124 gr pill @4 k impact can smash the knuckle joint on a bovine yet still make the far side destroying lungs heart like the bigger pills would be proud to achieve 🤷♂️ I’ll get photos & I replicated this also on a number of bovines yet every other brand I’ve tested failed & some a lot heavier than 124 ( yes every other brand I’ve tested as composition of metal usual becomes brittle or splats @ these velocities or approaching them ) also other velocities are tested Moving on a bit Velocity is usually key with monos & around 2200 on average preformance drops off pretty quickly but 2400 is a safer limit a few work lower but not many & if they do velocity limits usually apply so no free lunch it’s using that velocity window to the best advantage that serves us best Then we have !!! get ready feenix & Petey & the other hammer lovers 🤪😜 Yep Hammers I have not been able to kill these pills & believe me I’ve tried & just think how crazy I am a 2000lb asiatic with a 30 cal 124 hh & walk in on them to just see if it can be done yep that’s me ( I did test on other smaller bovines prior to this ) & how much faith I have in them Yet I also test on very minimal resistances as that’s where monos usually fail although some new brands that come out lately address this pretty well with good results but I’ve also got data over a lot of years & brands on certain angles / resistances these same pills show a less than ideal preformance base , all the new ones really are doing is refining a old process but hammers are different & in their own league ( 2 key areas show up & a guy from my home forum finally got it through my thick skull ) Yes I’m extremely fussy & this is not done / put out to suck up to Steve it’s to hopefully help others in the journey & get that critter on the wall or in the freezer with a little more certainty add that to individuals results & a wealth of knowledge is gained by all yep it’s this simple What Steve done with the 137hh has been nothing short of outstanding on a subtle change can have such a big increase in preformance ( yet the old 137 killed well just not like the 124 ) & this testing isn’t just theory based it’s put through critters time & time again to see if it works & I think the 137 has slightly got the 124 but time will tell if this thought holds true yep more critters to come I’ve got to go & will get pics when I can , no proof read so accept my apology & on my writing skills once again yep they suck I no I live by the fur calculator as that shows what’s real , well to a dumb farmer anyway Look forward to learning from the smart ones Cheers [/QUOTE]
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