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<blockquote data-quote="McMillan" data-source="post: 547186" data-attributes="member: 34843"><p>And a am completely ok with that type of examination. I will say I don't want you taking the barrel off to look at the threads and how they lock up. Just check all the other things you mentioned and take for granted that the work you can't see is as good as the work you can see.</p><p></p><p>Also, as anyone who has ever shot much from a bench, there is a lot more to actually getting a 1/2" group than just having a rifle that will do it. Especially when we are talking about traditional hunting rifles. Our LRH which is built on an A-3 stock would be much easier to produce a 1/2 group than our Outdoorsman even though they are equally as accurate. The LRH is a straight stock with a 1.950 wide forend with parallel vertical sides and 1.350 wide flat on the bottom. The butt stock is straight with no cast off or cant which makes it ride the rear bag better. The Outdoorsman in the same caliber uses a stock adapted from the Sako 75 Hunter, which has about a 1" forend with traditional rounded side and virtually no flat on the bottom. The butt stock has both cast off and cant which makes mounting it and getting behind the scope extremely easy, but when using a rear bag it causes the butt to move to the right and twist some which makes the barrel rise to the left. As a result, making sure the rifle and the rear bag is in exactly the same position is even more critical than with a regular benchrest friendly stock. It commonly attributes to vertical stringing if you aren't diligent about making sure they are in the correct position each shot.</p><p></p><p>One last thing. We do most of our accuracy testing with our hunting rifles with a cold bore. You rarely if ever get a chance to fire a few shots to warm the barrel up before you shoot at an animal. We shoot one round and a follow up shot from a cold bore to make sure we know exactly where those first two shots are going. It doesn't mean we aren't confident that our rifles will shoot good 5 shot groups, we do that as well. </p><p></p><p>Now if I haven't lost you, Boss, are you capable of and would you be willing to conduct the sort of test you mentioned above. I think it is pretty clear that if LTLR is willing we will get him to do a test on one rifle, but I would actually like to test both the LRH and the Outdoorsman so if you agree I will send you a rifle as well. You pick which one and what caliber. I'll include the ammo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="McMillan, post: 547186, member: 34843"] And a am completely ok with that type of examination. I will say I don't want you taking the barrel off to look at the threads and how they lock up. Just check all the other things you mentioned and take for granted that the work you can't see is as good as the work you can see. Also, as anyone who has ever shot much from a bench, there is a lot more to actually getting a 1/2" group than just having a rifle that will do it. Especially when we are talking about traditional hunting rifles. Our LRH which is built on an A-3 stock would be much easier to produce a 1/2 group than our Outdoorsman even though they are equally as accurate. The LRH is a straight stock with a 1.950 wide forend with parallel vertical sides and 1.350 wide flat on the bottom. The butt stock is straight with no cast off or cant which makes it ride the rear bag better. The Outdoorsman in the same caliber uses a stock adapted from the Sako 75 Hunter, which has about a 1" forend with traditional rounded side and virtually no flat on the bottom. The butt stock has both cast off and cant which makes mounting it and getting behind the scope extremely easy, but when using a rear bag it causes the butt to move to the right and twist some which makes the barrel rise to the left. As a result, making sure the rifle and the rear bag is in exactly the same position is even more critical than with a regular benchrest friendly stock. It commonly attributes to vertical stringing if you aren't diligent about making sure they are in the correct position each shot. One last thing. We do most of our accuracy testing with our hunting rifles with a cold bore. You rarely if ever get a chance to fire a few shots to warm the barrel up before you shoot at an animal. We shoot one round and a follow up shot from a cold bore to make sure we know exactly where those first two shots are going. It doesn't mean we aren't confident that our rifles will shoot good 5 shot groups, we do that as well. Now if I haven't lost you, Boss, are you capable of and would you be willing to conduct the sort of test you mentioned above. I think it is pretty clear that if LTLR is willing we will get him to do a test on one rifle, but I would actually like to test both the LRH and the Outdoorsman so if you agree I will send you a rifle as well. You pick which one and what caliber. I'll include the ammo. [/QUOTE]
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