Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
Articles
Latest reviews
Author list
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
Hunting
Long Range Hunting & Shooting
Confidence & Expectation(s)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Mysticplayer" data-source="post: 2126" data-attributes="member: 8947"><p>Interesting points you bring up but I don't think they are much different from the ongoing debate of "which is the best bullet". </p><p></p><p>Today, I can say that there are no "bad" bullets offered by any major manf. What does matter is it's application.</p><p></p><p>So called premium bullets are an evolution of muzzle vel. With the super magnums, impact vel at normal (under 300yd) hunting ranges are so high that bullets of conventional construction (jacket with lead core) can sometimes come apart without sufficient penetration. Bad news for you and the game.</p><p></p><p>Premium bullets are designed to give you conventional bullet performance at extreme impact vel. They are not designed to expand at low vel. which is what we have at long ranges. They are also rarely designed for 1/2MOA accuracy.</p><p></p><p>If you look at a ballistic program or even data from an ammo manf., you will quickly see that no matter what we shoot today, the vel. beyond 600yds is under 2700fps. Most of the time the vel is under 2400fps!!! At that impact vel. conventional bullets will expand and perform beautifully. They tend to be more accurate as well. </p><p></p><p>How fast is that bullet going when you go to 1000 or 1500yds? How big is the group size vs game kill zone? How much more do the premium bullets drift? Will they expand at all?</p><p></p><p>So for me, my confidence level has been greatly increased by using super accurate hunting or match bullets to increase my odds of success given a good hit. These bullets include Hornady SST and Amax, and the Nosler BT. Don't use any matchkings because of availability in my area. That will change with my RUM project next year.</p><p></p><p>Using Matchkings would actually increase the odds of success because of their high BC and accuracy potential (not to mention higher bullet weights). These would help hit the target (smaller group size and less wind drift) and the retained vel. would ensure better bullet expansion and higher energy. </p><p></p><p>At long range, everything that we can do to reduce our group size is paramount. Bullet construction becomes secondary because impact vel are so low. Try an expansion test with a varmint bullet at impact vel. under 2400fps. They will acutually expand like a conventional bullet and penetrate well. Shot through 1 ft of dry phone books with a Speer 70gr TNT from a 6BR (3200fps muzz. vel.) at 600yds.</p><p></p><p>The need to put the bullet in the boiler room is still critical. Amazing impact vel., or bullets that can go through engine blocks still don't matter if the bullet lands in the fringes. I doubt that any of us can own the firepower necessary to anchor a deer at 1000yd with a shot in the rear ham or hoof. In Canada, Artillery is heavily restricted. Heavy too.</p><p></p><p>Good luck...</p><p></p><p>Jerry</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mysticplayer, post: 2126, member: 8947"] Interesting points you bring up but I don't think they are much different from the ongoing debate of "which is the best bullet". Today, I can say that there are no "bad" bullets offered by any major manf. What does matter is it's application. So called premium bullets are an evolution of muzzle vel. With the super magnums, impact vel at normal (under 300yd) hunting ranges are so high that bullets of conventional construction (jacket with lead core) can sometimes come apart without sufficient penetration. Bad news for you and the game. Premium bullets are designed to give you conventional bullet performance at extreme impact vel. They are not designed to expand at low vel. which is what we have at long ranges. They are also rarely designed for 1/2MOA accuracy. If you look at a ballistic program or even data from an ammo manf., you will quickly see that no matter what we shoot today, the vel. beyond 600yds is under 2700fps. Most of the time the vel is under 2400fps!!! At that impact vel. conventional bullets will expand and perform beautifully. They tend to be more accurate as well. How fast is that bullet going when you go to 1000 or 1500yds? How big is the group size vs game kill zone? How much more do the premium bullets drift? Will they expand at all? So for me, my confidence level has been greatly increased by using super accurate hunting or match bullets to increase my odds of success given a good hit. These bullets include Hornady SST and Amax, and the Nosler BT. Don't use any matchkings because of availability in my area. That will change with my RUM project next year. Using Matchkings would actually increase the odds of success because of their high BC and accuracy potential (not to mention higher bullet weights). These would help hit the target (smaller group size and less wind drift) and the retained vel. would ensure better bullet expansion and higher energy. At long range, everything that we can do to reduce our group size is paramount. Bullet construction becomes secondary because impact vel are so low. Try an expansion test with a varmint bullet at impact vel. under 2400fps. They will acutually expand like a conventional bullet and penetrate well. Shot through 1 ft of dry phone books with a Speer 70gr TNT from a 6BR (3200fps muzz. vel.) at 600yds. The need to put the bullet in the boiler room is still critical. Amazing impact vel., or bullets that can go through engine blocks still don't matter if the bullet lands in the fringes. I doubt that any of us can own the firepower necessary to anchor a deer at 1000yd with a shot in the rear ham or hoof. In Canada, Artillery is heavily restricted. Heavy too. Good luck... Jerry [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Hunting
Long Range Hunting & Shooting
Confidence & Expectation(s)
Top