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<blockquote data-quote="orkan" data-source="post: 2963582" data-attributes="member: 25377"><p>I've been providing the evidence for years on my youtube channel. If you'd like to see a white paper done in the format of Aberdeen Proving grounds before you're willing to accept information... I think you'll be waiting a long time.</p><p></p><p>Consider this singular screenshot from one of my videos.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]517137[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>That red line all by itself, is a new clean case. Cases tumbled in stainless are actually <strong>worse. </strong></p><p></p><p>The ones down below, have been through my process. If I were to seat 100 cases at 190lb average force, the variance on those cases will be FAR greater than 100 cases seated at 40lbs of force. Obviously you can toy with annealing settings to get the force down, even with stainless clean methods... but it won't reduce it a lot. The problem is the surface lubricity. The friction differential between the neck and the bullet is just too high.</p><p></p><p>Obviously, the performance down range suffers. Not just due to the seating force variation... but due to the inevitable bullet deformation that happens during seating. Not only do they get deformed more, they get deformed in a non-uniform fashion. So the BC variation and flight characteristic change that comes along with a different shaped bullet is obvious... but the variation in terminal performance as a result of a damaged jacket is less obvious. Worse still... just because you can't <strong><em>see</em></strong> the non-uniform deformation in the bullet caused by seating, <em><strong>doesn't mean it's not there internally. </strong></em></p><p></p><p>Despite the very obvious mechanical truths of what is going on here... I still see 1/2 moa or slightly over capability from most stainless tumbled cases. Yet there hasn't been a single person that arrived here for training that didn't have their rifle/system perform better after we handloaded their own ammo using my process. It <strong><em>ALWAYS</em></strong> shoots better than the way they loaded it. Some guys showed up with sub-1/4MOA setups, and they didn't even know it. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😆" title="Grinning squinting face :laughing:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" data-shortname=":laughing:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>-----------</p><p><a href="https://www.instagram.com/primalrights" target="_blank">Follow on Instagram</a></p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights" target="_blank">Subscribe on YouTube</a></p><p><a href="https://amzn.to/3txlBnp" target="_blank">Amazon Affiliate</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.primalrights.com" target="_blank"><img src="http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="orkan, post: 2963582, member: 25377"] I've been providing the evidence for years on my youtube channel. If you'd like to see a white paper done in the format of Aberdeen Proving grounds before you're willing to accept information... I think you'll be waiting a long time. Consider this singular screenshot from one of my videos. [ATTACH type="full" alt="Untitled.png"]517137[/ATTACH] That red line all by itself, is a new clean case. Cases tumbled in stainless are actually [B]worse. [/B] The ones down below, have been through my process. If I were to seat 100 cases at 190lb average force, the variance on those cases will be FAR greater than 100 cases seated at 40lbs of force. Obviously you can toy with annealing settings to get the force down, even with stainless clean methods... but it won't reduce it a lot. The problem is the surface lubricity. The friction differential between the neck and the bullet is just too high. Obviously, the performance down range suffers. Not just due to the seating force variation... but due to the inevitable bullet deformation that happens during seating. Not only do they get deformed more, they get deformed in a non-uniform fashion. So the BC variation and flight characteristic change that comes along with a different shaped bullet is obvious... but the variation in terminal performance as a result of a damaged jacket is less obvious. Worse still... just because you can't [B][I]see[/I][/B] the non-uniform deformation in the bullet caused by seating, [I][B]doesn't mean it's not there internally. [/B][/I] Despite the very obvious mechanical truths of what is going on here... I still see 1/2 moa or slightly over capability from most stainless tumbled cases. Yet there hasn't been a single person that arrived here for training that didn't have their rifle/system perform better after we handloaded their own ammo using my process. It [B][I]ALWAYS[/I][/B] shoots better than the way they loaded it. Some guys showed up with sub-1/4MOA setups, and they didn't even know it. 😆 ----------- [URL='https://www.instagram.com/primalrights']Follow on Instagram[/URL] [URL='https://www.youtube.com/user/primalrights']Subscribe on YouTube[/URL] [URL='https://amzn.to/3txlBnp']Amazon Affiliate[/URL] [URL='http://www.primalrights.com'][IMG]http://primalrights.com/images/signatures/sig2.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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