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<blockquote data-quote="Don A Parsons" data-source="post: 1341961" data-attributes="member: 97414"><p>Maybe my PM setting are not set up right.</p><p></p><p>When my Lapua brass was new I took a reading of 10 brass, then picked the average less 0.002 thou to allow for leeway of brass build up over time.</p><p></p><p>Once my brass starts to show signs of thickening I use my Layman """out-side""" neck trimmer to take off a small fraction of build-up,,, I don't trim right up to where the strait neck meets the shoulder,,, staying back a few thousands allows for that brass build up to continue to flow keeping the brass wall thickness constant.</p><p></p><p>The nice thing I've noticed about Lapua brass is that its been annealed from the factory and it has not started flowing forward after 5 reload going on 6.</p><p></p><p>My winchester and federal brass have seen the most brass flowing forward after 16 to 20 reload, the Nosler Brass seems to flow less as I bring it up to the 20 re-load stage.</p><p></p><p>I'm shooting a 308 winchester and 30/06 both are 1 grain shy of max loads for the 178gr bullets.</p><p>I'm sure that many of us know that "if" We load hot that brass will move more a-possed too tapping it kool.</p><p></p><p>Big difference from the 50 to 55.000 cup pressures of the old days compared to 58 and 62.000 +++ of today's cartrages,,, mind you that today's rifle actions are stronger then "some" of those old old time actions from way back when.</p><p></p><p>I don't see my self departing the Lapua brass line-up any time soon.</p><p></p><p>Why Lapua brass.</p><p>100 brass for $119. Cnd funds </p><p>It's very consistant for case volume and individual weigth.</p><p>Yes that it Lapua brass is thicker, has less room for powder, but one trade off is a trade up for longevity,,, I'm ok with this.</p><p></p><p>At first I hated neck sizing Lapua brass because it put my arm to work, but that stiff neck I find is pretty consistant when I'm seating bullets.</p><p></p><p>I "feel" the constancy when seating bullets now because of these stiff annealed necks,</p><p>My Neck die is the standard Lee Collect Neck only as it free floats to let the neck aline with the die,,, my old RCBS neck only die seems more ridged after switching to the Lee Collect.</p><p></p><p>Its been a learning curve, my plan is to speed things up little lone do more steps to prep ammo over all.</p><p></p><p>Not to take away from this awesome thread as I'm game to learn new things and ideas, but I need to see benefits on paper that I shoot down range,,, this is done by burning powder.</p><p></p><p>I'm just starting the first faze of volume powder case loading too save even more time, the bench rest folks started this year's ago, my plan is to improve on this idea with larger volumes of brass at one time.</p><p></p><p>I'll start a thread on this when I get it things going, it's all about quantity and quality with less time so all of us can spend more time Harvesting and shooting with less time sitting behind the re-load station components.</p><p></p><p>I totally agree,,, we all want quality ammo, but the under lying question for me is how much time do I want to spend loading.</p><p></p><p>I'm starting to see 2 kinds of ammo in my world, 1 for accuracy and fast reloading,,, the other with accuracy, precision and fast reloading.</p><p>The one with precision might need 1 or 2 extra steps.</p><p></p><p>Test are underway.</p><p></p><p>Western Canada Don at a game plan to push these limits. I won't know till I get there</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Don A Parsons, post: 1341961, member: 97414"] Maybe my PM setting are not set up right. When my Lapua brass was new I took a reading of 10 brass, then picked the average less 0.002 thou to allow for leeway of brass build up over time. Once my brass starts to show signs of thickening I use my Layman """out-side""" neck trimmer to take off a small fraction of build-up,,, I don't trim right up to where the strait neck meets the shoulder,,, staying back a few thousands allows for that brass build up to continue to flow keeping the brass wall thickness constant. The nice thing I've noticed about Lapua brass is that its been annealed from the factory and it has not started flowing forward after 5 reload going on 6. My winchester and federal brass have seen the most brass flowing forward after 16 to 20 reload, the Nosler Brass seems to flow less as I bring it up to the 20 re-load stage. I'm shooting a 308 winchester and 30/06 both are 1 grain shy of max loads for the 178gr bullets. I'm sure that many of us know that "if" We load hot that brass will move more a-possed too tapping it kool. Big difference from the 50 to 55.000 cup pressures of the old days compared to 58 and 62.000 +++ of today's cartrages,,, mind you that today's rifle actions are stronger then "some" of those old old time actions from way back when. I don't see my self departing the Lapua brass line-up any time soon. Why Lapua brass. 100 brass for $119. Cnd funds It's very consistant for case volume and individual weigth. Yes that it Lapua brass is thicker, has less room for powder, but one trade off is a trade up for longevity,,, I'm ok with this. At first I hated neck sizing Lapua brass because it put my arm to work, but that stiff neck I find is pretty consistant when I'm seating bullets. I "feel" the constancy when seating bullets now because of these stiff annealed necks, My Neck die is the standard Lee Collect Neck only as it free floats to let the neck aline with the die,,, my old RCBS neck only die seems more ridged after switching to the Lee Collect. Its been a learning curve, my plan is to speed things up little lone do more steps to prep ammo over all. Not to take away from this awesome thread as I'm game to learn new things and ideas, but I need to see benefits on paper that I shoot down range,,, this is done by burning powder. I'm just starting the first faze of volume powder case loading too save even more time, the bench rest folks started this year's ago, my plan is to improve on this idea with larger volumes of brass at one time. I'll start a thread on this when I get it things going, it's all about quantity and quality with less time so all of us can spend more time Harvesting and shooting with less time sitting behind the re-load station components. I totally agree,,, we all want quality ammo, but the under lying question for me is how much time do I want to spend loading. I'm starting to see 2 kinds of ammo in my world, 1 for accuracy and fast reloading,,, the other with accuracy, precision and fast reloading. The one with precision might need 1 or 2 extra steps. Test are underway. Western Canada Don at a game plan to push these limits. I won't know till I get there [/QUOTE]
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