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Changing a SA .473 to a WSM
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<blockquote data-quote="BountyHunter" data-source="post: 177743" data-attributes="member: 12"><p><strong>SPS actions are exactly the same dimensionally as all other 700 actions</strong>. </p><p> </p><p>Absolutely zero difference except finish. </p><p> </p><p>Call Remington to confirm. Remington will tell you that the SPS is in reality the old ADL action, only with different finish. </p><p> </p><p>Does not make sense for a mftr to go to the expense of redesigning a line with set of new tooling to lessen the dimensional tolerance for the SPS when they already have actions that will work. Absolutely no economic purpose! Just vary the finish, that is the real expense anyway in this process.</p><p> </p><p>Remington uses same actions and barrels, just different grade of finish.</p><p> </p><p>Price a bolt face opening and price of a Sako install. $200 or more?</p><p> </p><p>Then look at truing, etc not to mention standard 700 actions have to have other action mods to work with the WSM and when all done it will be worth $400 at best on a good day. </p><p> </p><p>If you are set on modifying your current action, the go to Pacific Tool and Guage, buy a new bolt for the WSM with the Sako type extractor correctly placed. I have one on the way fluted for $160, that is less than a gunsmith will charge you to mod yours. </p><p> </p><p>So how do you save any money and then end up with a lesser quality product?</p><p> </p><p>Buy the Predator, Wyatts box, custom barrel and have top notch rig when done. </p><p> </p><p>The game has totally changed today with the availability of quality customs that are an economic savings for the customer and gunsmiths who make their living selling this accurizing/heavy mods concept are looking out after their best interest now, not yours.</p><p> </p><p>Money wise accurizing stock Remingtons is still dumb and not cost effective when compared to the new 700 clone customs and value. No way it works in your favor.</p><p> </p><p>Sighter, </p><p> </p><p>I love the WSM and would recommend it highly for a standard long range rifle out to 1k. Easy to reload, cheap components, no fireforming, 2-3x barrel life, can run bullets up to 210 at good velocities. Not a 338 but 98% of most game killed and posted here are really under 800 anyway. </p><p> </p><p>It is just that the game has totally changed with the availability of quality, economical custom actions that need zero work. NO JUSTIFIABLE NEED TO DO THAT ANYMORE!</p><p> </p><p>There is absolutely zero need (from the customers perspective) to spend $200-600 modifying a Remington action now when he can sell it and for $300 more, buy a custom ready to go, that is better, higher tolerances and worth 100% more when done. Your gunsmith will not be happy, but you will!</p><p> </p><p>I have not seen anyone crunch the numbers to prove accurizing a Rem is the way to go economy wise, much less reliability and accuracy. </p><p> </p><p>Go to any smiths site and price the following:</p><p> </p><p>Lapping lugs</p><p>open bolt face</p><p>install sako</p><p>true front receiver</p><p>recut threads</p><p>true recoil lug or replace (then fix headspace issues after)</p><p>modify rails</p><p>bush the bolt</p><p> </p><p>Now what if your barrel like my last one just will not shoot? </p><p> </p><p>You must do ALL of the items above to equal the Predator or other clones and when done, and then bottom line is that max sale value is $400.</p><p> </p><p>DUMB DUMB DUMB, but your smith is happy. </p><p> </p><p>Think about this, it should cut your smith delivery time well over 50% due to less inhouse machining. That alone is worth it in many cases.</p><p> </p><p>BH</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BountyHunter, post: 177743, member: 12"] [B]SPS actions are exactly the same dimensionally as all other 700 actions[/B]. Absolutely zero difference except finish. Call Remington to confirm. Remington will tell you that the SPS is in reality the old ADL action, only with different finish. Does not make sense for a mftr to go to the expense of redesigning a line with set of new tooling to lessen the dimensional tolerance for the SPS when they already have actions that will work. Absolutely no economic purpose! Just vary the finish, that is the real expense anyway in this process. Remington uses same actions and barrels, just different grade of finish. Price a bolt face opening and price of a Sako install. $200 or more? Then look at truing, etc not to mention standard 700 actions have to have other action mods to work with the WSM and when all done it will be worth $400 at best on a good day. If you are set on modifying your current action, the go to Pacific Tool and Guage, buy a new bolt for the WSM with the Sako type extractor correctly placed. I have one on the way fluted for $160, that is less than a gunsmith will charge you to mod yours. So how do you save any money and then end up with a lesser quality product? Buy the Predator, Wyatts box, custom barrel and have top notch rig when done. The game has totally changed today with the availability of quality customs that are an economic savings for the customer and gunsmiths who make their living selling this accurizing/heavy mods concept are looking out after their best interest now, not yours. Money wise accurizing stock Remingtons is still dumb and not cost effective when compared to the new 700 clone customs and value. No way it works in your favor. Sighter, I love the WSM and would recommend it highly for a standard long range rifle out to 1k. Easy to reload, cheap components, no fireforming, 2-3x barrel life, can run bullets up to 210 at good velocities. Not a 338 but 98% of most game killed and posted here are really under 800 anyway. It is just that the game has totally changed with the availability of quality, economical custom actions that need zero work. NO JUSTIFIABLE NEED TO DO THAT ANYMORE! There is absolutely zero need (from the customers perspective) to spend $200-600 modifying a Remington action now when he can sell it and for $300 more, buy a custom ready to go, that is better, higher tolerances and worth 100% more when done. Your gunsmith will not be happy, but you will! I have not seen anyone crunch the numbers to prove accurizing a Rem is the way to go economy wise, much less reliability and accuracy. Go to any smiths site and price the following: Lapping lugs open bolt face install sako true front receiver recut threads true recoil lug or replace (then fix headspace issues after) modify rails bush the bolt Now what if your barrel like my last one just will not shoot? You must do ALL of the items above to equal the Predator or other clones and when done, and then bottom line is that max sale value is $400. DUMB DUMB DUMB, but your smith is happy. Think about this, it should cut your smith delivery time well over 50% due to less inhouse machining. That alone is worth it in many cases. BH [/QUOTE]
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