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The Basics, Starting Out
Can 308 do everything you need a rifle to do under 600 yards?
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<blockquote data-quote="MooseChaos" data-source="post: 2121378" data-attributes="member: 117474"><p>Long range is very subjective. There are conditions where long range is 15 yards - not 500 or somewhere over past the keyboard. I had a deer behind me, 15 yards away and because of the conditions I would not take a shot. But on anything other than a dead calm day, anything over 300 is very long. You have to figure wind drift and direction, mirage, bullet speed and drop and last of all range. If you carry a ballistic computer and chronograph all your loads AND understand external ballistics as well as internal, AND have a rifle capable of better than 2moa and no nerves and a solid rest and a great trigger and no temperature variance from when you chronographed your loads, you may succeed in making a humane kill. </p><p></p><p>Most hunting rifles and damned few hunters cannot live up to that 300 yard or greater challenge of the truth is known. I can shoot great groups from the bench - .4" or smaller at 200 yards is not unheard of but I don't have a bench in the field. I HUNT and I keep my shots as short as possible by hunting and stalking the game. If I can take a deer at 30 yards I will. I rarely shoot further than 150. I want to hit where I am aiming.</p><p></p><p>A 2moa rifle will at best hit within a 12" circle at 600 from a locked in bench position. Thats 20" at 1000 yards. 6" at 300. Practical accuracy in the field with most hunting grade rifles is about 2-2.25 moa. Throw in less than ideal conditions and that accuracy drops. </p><p></p><p>Light recoiling varmint rifles are NOT what I am referencing here. I'm talking abojt rifles in the 6.5 - .338 level which maintain enough energy for a clean kill on deer size or larger targets at 300> yards. These rifles from the .264 Winchester on up through the .338 Lapua are not gentle on the shoulders (another consideration to take into account).</p><p></p><p>Just an irascible old man making a statement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MooseChaos, post: 2121378, member: 117474"] Long range is very subjective. There are conditions where long range is 15 yards - not 500 or somewhere over past the keyboard. I had a deer behind me, 15 yards away and because of the conditions I would not take a shot. But on anything other than a dead calm day, anything over 300 is very long. You have to figure wind drift and direction, mirage, bullet speed and drop and last of all range. If you carry a ballistic computer and chronograph all your loads AND understand external ballistics as well as internal, AND have a rifle capable of better than 2moa and no nerves and a solid rest and a great trigger and no temperature variance from when you chronographed your loads, you may succeed in making a humane kill. Most hunting rifles and damned few hunters cannot live up to that 300 yard or greater challenge of the truth is known. I can shoot great groups from the bench - .4" or smaller at 200 yards is not unheard of but I don't have a bench in the field. I HUNT and I keep my shots as short as possible by hunting and stalking the game. If I can take a deer at 30 yards I will. I rarely shoot further than 150. I want to hit where I am aiming. A 2moa rifle will at best hit within a 12" circle at 600 from a locked in bench position. Thats 20" at 1000 yards. 6" at 300. Practical accuracy in the field with most hunting grade rifles is about 2-2.25 moa. Throw in less than ideal conditions and that accuracy drops. Light recoiling varmint rifles are NOT what I am referencing here. I'm talking abojt rifles in the 6.5 - .338 level which maintain enough energy for a clean kill on deer size or larger targets at 300> yards. These rifles from the .264 Winchester on up through the .338 Lapua are not gentle on the shoulders (another consideration to take into account). Just an irascible old man making a statement. [/QUOTE]
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