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Bullet lift, does it exist?
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<blockquote data-quote="bwaites" data-source="post: 177706" data-attributes="member: 8733"><p>Since I apparently (according to CatShooter anyway) don't understand any of this, will someone please let me know just when we determine if bullets actually have lift? I'm sure a few others would appreciate knowing as well.</p><p> </p><p>I'm sorry Catshooter, my very first comment in the original thread was intended as a satirical comment, but evidently that was completely missed. I then followed up with a few more smart *** comments, also all missed. Now I understand that you just take everything literally, so I can make appropriate comments in the future.</p><p> </p><p>As for the lift issue, none of my reading has yet confirmed anything one way or the other. </p><p> </p><p>AJ, I've spent years coaching quarterbacks, (2 sons with scholarship offers as college QB's will do that to you!). I've attended workshops, I've coached mechanics. (Including attending Peytons Manning Passing Academy with my son) Any well thrown pass thrown with an arc will come down on the front half of the football, most passes qualify at the NFL level. You can throw a pass that doesn't, but it won't be a well thrown pass. (I left the original "sailing pass" quote alone, but a pass that "sails" is released a little early, causing it to be nose up, and the pass balloons. It balloons because the weight of the ball in relation to the air pressure isn't high enough to overcome the "balloon effect". Lots of surface area in relation to weight will do that. Try throwing a balloon with a spiral, it exaggerates the effect.) </p><p> </p><p>I watched Peytons game tonite, every deep pass was nose down. Passes are spin stabilized, although the velocity isn't in the same ball park as a rifle, obviously. Well punted balls also do the same, "turning over" is the phrase often used to describe them.</p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure, however, that footballs react the same as bullets, because the air pressure on the surface area of the ball is so much higher in respect to the weight. I do know that footballs do not exhibit "lift" on their own, after having used a throwing machine for thousands of passes!</p><p> </p><p>As for the above arguments, I'm still unsure of the correct answer, since no one seems capable of putting it into language that is comprehensible by someone like me with so little apparent education!</p><p> </p><p>The Sierra stuff never seems to directly address the question, and the only other scientific discussions I can find say that they don't. CatShooter points out that DOE physicists can't possibly know what they are talking about, and maybe he is correct. But, then again, initially he insisted this was all just simple high school physics, and I guess those guys, and the high school physics teachers asking the question must all have forgotten THEIR basic high school physics!</p><p> </p><p>As for picking a fight, not hardly, I was trying to be funny, but quite obviously, I missed the mark!!</p><p> </p><p>Bill</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bwaites, post: 177706, member: 8733"] Since I apparently (according to CatShooter anyway) don't understand any of this, will someone please let me know just when we determine if bullets actually have lift? I'm sure a few others would appreciate knowing as well. I'm sorry Catshooter, my very first comment in the original thread was intended as a satirical comment, but evidently that was completely missed. I then followed up with a few more smart *** comments, also all missed. Now I understand that you just take everything literally, so I can make appropriate comments in the future. As for the lift issue, none of my reading has yet confirmed anything one way or the other. AJ, I've spent years coaching quarterbacks, (2 sons with scholarship offers as college QB's will do that to you!). I've attended workshops, I've coached mechanics. (Including attending Peytons Manning Passing Academy with my son) Any well thrown pass thrown with an arc will come down on the front half of the football, most passes qualify at the NFL level. You can throw a pass that doesn't, but it won't be a well thrown pass. (I left the original "sailing pass" quote alone, but a pass that "sails" is released a little early, causing it to be nose up, and the pass balloons. It balloons because the weight of the ball in relation to the air pressure isn't high enough to overcome the "balloon effect". Lots of surface area in relation to weight will do that. Try throwing a balloon with a spiral, it exaggerates the effect.) I watched Peytons game tonite, every deep pass was nose down. Passes are spin stabilized, although the velocity isn't in the same ball park as a rifle, obviously. Well punted balls also do the same, "turning over" is the phrase often used to describe them. I'm not sure, however, that footballs react the same as bullets, because the air pressure on the surface area of the ball is so much higher in respect to the weight. I do know that footballs do not exhibit "lift" on their own, after having used a throwing machine for thousands of passes! As for the above arguments, I'm still unsure of the correct answer, since no one seems capable of putting it into language that is comprehensible by someone like me with so little apparent education! The Sierra stuff never seems to directly address the question, and the only other scientific discussions I can find say that they don't. CatShooter points out that DOE physicists can't possibly know what they are talking about, and maybe he is correct. But, then again, initially he insisted this was all just simple high school physics, and I guess those guys, and the high school physics teachers asking the question must all have forgotten THEIR basic high school physics! As for picking a fight, not hardly, I was trying to be funny, but quite obviously, I missed the mark!! Bill [/QUOTE]
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