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Bullet Jump/Jammed - Is it the Bullet design or the rifle
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<blockquote data-quote="Alex Wheeler" data-source="post: 1986030" data-attributes="member: 101859"><p>I do not have a preference on seating depth, the target will tell you where to seat the bullets. I typically find myself within .020" of touch, either in or off. I have tested them all the way back to over .125 jump and everything between.</p><p>I spoke with Mark Gordon about his testing before it was published. He was interested in one of my stocks to build a BR rig for testing and we got to talking about his test data. What everyone needs to understand is that there are different levels of precision needed for different shooting sports. In PRS 1/2moa over a long string of fire is more than enough. Those guys need to load 100s of rounds in advance and shoot without cleaning the guns. Thats the basis for his testing, he wanted the most forgiving place, not necessarily the most accurate.</p><p>I find long range hunting to be very much similar to long range BR, we shoot far fewer rounds in a range trip and theres no "good enough". Theres nothing more serious that making a clean kill in my book. So I dont care about a huge window in hunting or BR, I care about the smallest groups and its my job to keep them tuned there. Everyone likes to think about the good days, but when the weather changes and you go out of tune, that 1/2 moa rifle is now 1 moa or worse, Id rather start with 1/4 moa.</p><p>You will find many seating depth "nodes" just like powder nodes, I just find the ones closer to the lands to shoot smaller groups, but usually the window is smaller. I find this to be true no matter the design of the bullet.</p><p>So far as major bullet makers suggestions, thats all they are. But keep in mind they are talking to the average loader. And often times they are wrong anyhow, remember when Berger said VLDs had to be in the lands? Once you get to know some of the people working at these different places you realize they are just normal people like the rest of us and can be wrong too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alex Wheeler, post: 1986030, member: 101859"] I do not have a preference on seating depth, the target will tell you where to seat the bullets. I typically find myself within .020" of touch, either in or off. I have tested them all the way back to over .125 jump and everything between. I spoke with Mark Gordon about his testing before it was published. He was interested in one of my stocks to build a BR rig for testing and we got to talking about his test data. What everyone needs to understand is that there are different levels of precision needed for different shooting sports. In PRS 1/2moa over a long string of fire is more than enough. Those guys need to load 100s of rounds in advance and shoot without cleaning the guns. Thats the basis for his testing, he wanted the most forgiving place, not necessarily the most accurate. I find long range hunting to be very much similar to long range BR, we shoot far fewer rounds in a range trip and theres no "good enough". Theres nothing more serious that making a clean kill in my book. So I dont care about a huge window in hunting or BR, I care about the smallest groups and its my job to keep them tuned there. Everyone likes to think about the good days, but when the weather changes and you go out of tune, that 1/2 moa rifle is now 1 moa or worse, Id rather start with 1/4 moa. You will find many seating depth "nodes" just like powder nodes, I just find the ones closer to the lands to shoot smaller groups, but usually the window is smaller. I find this to be true no matter the design of the bullet. So far as major bullet makers suggestions, thats all they are. But keep in mind they are talking to the average loader. And often times they are wrong anyhow, remember when Berger said VLDs had to be in the lands? Once you get to know some of the people working at these different places you realize they are just normal people like the rest of us and can be wrong too. [/QUOTE]
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