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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2418883" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>Rocky, while I do not question your expertise on the design of bullets I do question your theory on how they kill. No doubt that damage to the internal organs, primarily the heart and lungs will shut down everything as the animal bleeds out. That is simple. Blowing a hole out the other side only to allow for blood flow to track the animal means that the shot one took did not immediately kill it, missing it's mark and letting the animal run terrified until it does eventually bleed out. I don't use Hammer Bullets. Actually never heard of them until I started reading and posting here. Listening to the accolades here one would think that there is no other bullet than Hammers. This is not the case. I have been deer hunting for some 52 years and at last count have been the cause of the demise of some 78 deer, both bucks and does. (One of the advantages of living in Wisconsin, a lot of deer and deer tags) My bullets of choice are Nosler Partitions or Sierra GameKing in either 130 gr in my 270 or 165 gr in both the .308 and 30-06. (I don't hunt deer with the 300WM.) Probably 85% or more of those deer fell to the Model 70 in .308 with the 165 gr Partitions leaving the muzzle around 2500 FPS and 90% or more dropped in place at 200 yards or less, the others maybe moving 25 to 50 feet. Very few of those bullets went through, mostly those shot at 50 yards or less. The point here is that there is much to be said about a bullet dissipating its energy, causing the elastic wound channel to balloon out then snap back while all of that energy of the bullet moving at supersonic speed then stopping abruptly causes massive shock to the central nervous system which shuts down all bodily functions. (Think about you driving your car at 70 MPH then hitting a bridge abutment that does not give immediately. You come to a stop in very few feet. Keep in mind that 2400 fps equals 1636 MPH. Imagine going almost Mach 2 and stopping in 18 inches. Think that might just be a bit of shock to your system?) This in turn causes the animal to drop in place or only move a few feet. The only time this didn't happen was when my Boyfriend (Now Ex) convinced me that an AR shooting a 62 grain bullet was the answer to a deer hunters prayers. I tried it. The deer ran some 100 yards across my hunting field then halfway up to the ridge-line across from my stand. Yes it was dead, heart and lungs torn apart, but no exit hole simply because the little bullet tumbled once it entered the deer and tore things apart as it tumbled around without any semblance of the little bullet imparting anything but ripping and tearing the insides of the animal and causing it to bleed to death internally. Never made that mistake again. </p><p></p><p>We can and most likely will continue to debate this topic for all eternity. Is there a final and definitive answer. Nope. It's kind of like, "Who is the best Quarterback of all time?" There have been great ones over the years, who is the best? I don't think that SHE has been born yet. Yes I said, SHE!" Think about it as you watch boys winning in girls athletic competitions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2418883, member: 118816"] Rocky, while I do not question your expertise on the design of bullets I do question your theory on how they kill. No doubt that damage to the internal organs, primarily the heart and lungs will shut down everything as the animal bleeds out. That is simple. Blowing a hole out the other side only to allow for blood flow to track the animal means that the shot one took did not immediately kill it, missing it's mark and letting the animal run terrified until it does eventually bleed out. I don't use Hammer Bullets. Actually never heard of them until I started reading and posting here. Listening to the accolades here one would think that there is no other bullet than Hammers. This is not the case. I have been deer hunting for some 52 years and at last count have been the cause of the demise of some 78 deer, both bucks and does. (One of the advantages of living in Wisconsin, a lot of deer and deer tags) My bullets of choice are Nosler Partitions or Sierra GameKing in either 130 gr in my 270 or 165 gr in both the .308 and 30-06. (I don't hunt deer with the 300WM.) Probably 85% or more of those deer fell to the Model 70 in .308 with the 165 gr Partitions leaving the muzzle around 2500 FPS and 90% or more dropped in place at 200 yards or less, the others maybe moving 25 to 50 feet. Very few of those bullets went through, mostly those shot at 50 yards or less. The point here is that there is much to be said about a bullet dissipating its energy, causing the elastic wound channel to balloon out then snap back while all of that energy of the bullet moving at supersonic speed then stopping abruptly causes massive shock to the central nervous system which shuts down all bodily functions. (Think about you driving your car at 70 MPH then hitting a bridge abutment that does not give immediately. You come to a stop in very few feet. Keep in mind that 2400 fps equals 1636 MPH. Imagine going almost Mach 2 and stopping in 18 inches. Think that might just be a bit of shock to your system?) This in turn causes the animal to drop in place or only move a few feet. The only time this didn't happen was when my Boyfriend (Now Ex) convinced me that an AR shooting a 62 grain bullet was the answer to a deer hunters prayers. I tried it. The deer ran some 100 yards across my hunting field then halfway up to the ridge-line across from my stand. Yes it was dead, heart and lungs torn apart, but no exit hole simply because the little bullet tumbled once it entered the deer and tore things apart as it tumbled around without any semblance of the little bullet imparting anything but ripping and tearing the insides of the animal and causing it to bleed to death internally. Never made that mistake again. We can and most likely will continue to debate this topic for all eternity. Is there a final and definitive answer. Nope. It's kind of like, "Who is the best Quarterback of all time?" There have been great ones over the years, who is the best? I don't think that SHE has been born yet. Yes I said, SHE!" Think about it as you watch boys winning in girls athletic competitions. [/QUOTE]
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