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<blockquote data-quote="Broz" data-source="post: 624187" data-attributes="member: 7503"><p>Yes, The bull in my signature was killed with a 210 Berger from a 30-378 Wby @ 250 yards. Mv was 3050 fps. At that time, (2007) I was still shoulder shooting and the bullet penetrated the near shoulder bone, made mush of the insides and stopped just out side the far shoulder but never exited. The bull then seen me and wanted to bolt but could not. He fell pretty much in his last tracks. Looking at these result and some other bulls we have taken I no longer feel the shoulder is the <strong><em>best</em></strong> place for this bullet up close. But, I still feel even a large bull at 50 yards would be down with a shoulder shot as I am confident the bullet would make it into the vitals and wreck havoc. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I took a Bull in 2010 with the 210 Berger hunting VLD from my 300 win. MV 2995 fps. This bull as at 803 yards. Impact velocity was 2011 fps,energy was 1886 lbs. I under estimated the wind slightly and was about 12" farther back than the crease. The bull hunched up and turned 180 to go back on his tracks. I could see blood through the scope running down his side already from a exit that was over 2". It is my opinion that if I had hit this bull with a bullet that didn't expand verywell I would have been in trouble. But the bull went about 50 yards and was done as he was bleeding out at a rapid rate. I feel the Berger covered my butt on this one. </p><p> </p><p>I only speak of first hand experiences. Either elk I have taken or ones I was right there to see the shot. We take about a dozen elk a year. This past season 9 were taken with Bergers from 325 to 816 yards. I didn't track a one of those and I am not looking to change anything. Since I have no first hand expreiences with the A-Max's I can not comment. But many hunters do talk well of them. </p><p> </p><p>The Bergers are a true long range hunting bullet. But I have no probelm or concerns with shorter shots either. I feel they are as good as you can get when you need a high BC bullet for the long pokes. You need all the help you can get to buck the wind and retain velocity for energy. I have only seen one in an elk with a impact velocity below 1800fps, infact it was 1700 fps. It did expand and was a one shot DRT kill. Below this velocity I have no first hand info. But there are some boys on here that do. They killed a Bull with a 300gr Berger at 1480 yds with a 300 Berger OTM from a 338 EDGE. Complete pass through and the bull was a 1 shot DRT.</p><p> </p><p>Here is that story: <a href="http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/1480-yd-bull-throgh-spotters-eyes-85361/" target="_blank">http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/1480-yd-bull-throgh-spotters-eyes-85361/</a></p><p> </p><p>Hope this is the info you are looking for. If you have any questions ask away. I will do my best to answer them.</p><p> </p><p>Jeff</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Broz, post: 624187, member: 7503"] Yes, The bull in my signature was killed with a 210 Berger from a 30-378 Wby @ 250 yards. Mv was 3050 fps. At that time, (2007) I was still shoulder shooting and the bullet penetrated the near shoulder bone, made mush of the insides and stopped just out side the far shoulder but never exited. The bull then seen me and wanted to bolt but could not. He fell pretty much in his last tracks. Looking at these result and some other bulls we have taken I no longer feel the shoulder is the [B][I]best[/I][/B] place for this bullet up close. But, I still feel even a large bull at 50 yards would be down with a shoulder shot as I am confident the bullet would make it into the vitals and wreck havoc. I took a Bull in 2010 with the 210 Berger hunting VLD from my 300 win. MV 2995 fps. This bull as at 803 yards. Impact velocity was 2011 fps,energy was 1886 lbs. I under estimated the wind slightly and was about 12" farther back than the crease. The bull hunched up and turned 180 to go back on his tracks. I could see blood through the scope running down his side already from a exit that was over 2". It is my opinion that if I had hit this bull with a bullet that didn't expand verywell I would have been in trouble. But the bull went about 50 yards and was done as he was bleeding out at a rapid rate. I feel the Berger covered my butt on this one. I only speak of first hand experiences. Either elk I have taken or ones I was right there to see the shot. We take about a dozen elk a year. This past season 9 were taken with Bergers from 325 to 816 yards. I didn't track a one of those and I am not looking to change anything. Since I have no first hand expreiences with the A-Max's I can not comment. But many hunters do talk well of them. The Bergers are a true long range hunting bullet. But I have no probelm or concerns with shorter shots either. I feel they are as good as you can get when you need a high BC bullet for the long pokes. You need all the help you can get to buck the wind and retain velocity for energy. I have only seen one in an elk with a impact velocity below 1800fps, infact it was 1700 fps. It did expand and was a one shot DRT kill. Below this velocity I have no first hand info. But there are some boys on here that do. They killed a Bull with a 300gr Berger at 1480 yds with a 300 Berger OTM from a 338 EDGE. Complete pass through and the bull was a 1 shot DRT. Here is that story: [URL]http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/1480-yd-bull-throgh-spotters-eyes-85361/[/URL] Hope this is the info you are looking for. If you have any questions ask away. I will do my best to answer them. Jeff [/QUOTE]
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