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<blockquote data-quote="Broz" data-source="post: 623644" data-attributes="member: 7503"><p>Honest questions should not "Urk" anyone. I will be glad to tell you what I think about this. This opinion is drawn from seeing a dozen or more elk go down each year along with several deer, antelope and some others stuff.</p><p> </p><p>I also use to use Barnes,and I had some plastic tips bust off the A-max years ago and no longer use them either. Although I feel they corrected this issue now as I never hear of issues these days. I switched to Bergers from the TSX's years ago and the Bergers do well for me. I shoot a 338 @ 2800 MV a 300 win @ 2995 MV. These velocities are at 4100 ft alt. I would have no issues shooting the bergers from either of my rifles at a big elk at 50 yards. But for that shot I would not shoot for a high shoulder. The crease right behind the shoulder is the key for a highly expandable bullet at close range. Also it is important to use one of the larger offerings for the caliber as some of the bullet will be fragmenting off and what is left will pass through. Like hitting them with a 338 and getting an exit from a 300, if you will. </p><p> </p><p>What I mean by "know your bullet" is this. If you are shooting a high velocity rig with a MV above 3200 you may want to look at a solid. But know that as it slows for a long shot like down below 1900 fps it may not open at all. This is where the Berger shines as a long range bullet. At the same time if you are shooting a fragmenting bullet at close range from a rifle sending them out above 3000 fps I would not go for a heavy boned placement at 50 yards. </p><p> </p><p>No two shots are ever the same, ever! The bullet speed, angle, placement,caliber, bullet weight, animal size, did it contact bone first, meat first all make a difference. There are instances where every or any bullets can fail. But was it the bullet that failed, or the shooter for not knowing his bullet and rig? </p><p> </p><p>I hunt elk in the mountains. I want elk down as soon s possible. This is why I shoot Bergers. If the shot is close they go down in a few steps if they take any at all. If the shot is long I can depend on the bullet to expand and do damage. On the longer pokes they usually hunch up, stand there for a brief time wobble and fall over. </p><p> </p><p>Hope this answers your question.</p><p> </p><p>Jeff</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Broz, post: 623644, member: 7503"] Honest questions should not "Urk" anyone. I will be glad to tell you what I think about this. This opinion is drawn from seeing a dozen or more elk go down each year along with several deer, antelope and some others stuff. I also use to use Barnes,and I had some plastic tips bust off the A-max years ago and no longer use them either. Although I feel they corrected this issue now as I never hear of issues these days. I switched to Bergers from the TSX's years ago and the Bergers do well for me. I shoot a 338 @ 2800 MV a 300 win @ 2995 MV. These velocities are at 4100 ft alt. I would have no issues shooting the bergers from either of my rifles at a big elk at 50 yards. But for that shot I would not shoot for a high shoulder. The crease right behind the shoulder is the key for a highly expandable bullet at close range. Also it is important to use one of the larger offerings for the caliber as some of the bullet will be fragmenting off and what is left will pass through. Like hitting them with a 338 and getting an exit from a 300, if you will. What I mean by "know your bullet" is this. If you are shooting a high velocity rig with a MV above 3200 you may want to look at a solid. But know that as it slows for a long shot like down below 1900 fps it may not open at all. This is where the Berger shines as a long range bullet. At the same time if you are shooting a fragmenting bullet at close range from a rifle sending them out above 3000 fps I would not go for a heavy boned placement at 50 yards. No two shots are ever the same, ever! The bullet speed, angle, placement,caliber, bullet weight, animal size, did it contact bone first, meat first all make a difference. There are instances where every or any bullets can fail. But was it the bullet that failed, or the shooter for not knowing his bullet and rig? I hunt elk in the mountains. I want elk down as soon s possible. This is why I shoot Bergers. If the shot is close they go down in a few steps if they take any at all. If the shot is long I can depend on the bullet to expand and do damage. On the longer pokes they usually hunch up, stand there for a brief time wobble and fall over. Hope this answers your question. Jeff [/QUOTE]
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