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Brainstorming Ideas on Long Range Elk Pistol
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<blockquote data-quote="yorke-1" data-source="post: 1522115" data-attributes="member: 11960"><p>Conventional handgun calibers kill like a muzzle loader and rely heavily on penetration and permanent wound cavity. Handguns chambered for small bore rifle rounds still need the velocity to cause the bullets to expand and cause damage. I can also assure you that no handgun hunter is hunting elk at 400+ yards with a 44 mag, which is the range that the OP is looking at.</p><p></p><p>When shooting short barreled guns you need to either settle for reduced performance or move up to a larger case to make up for the velocity lost in a short barrel. Expect comparable loads to be 150-200fps slower when fired out of a handgun length barrel compared to the same load from a rifle. If you want 300 Win Mag performance from a 15" barrel then you need to move up to a 300 Weatherby or RUM sized case. If you want 7-08 rifle ballistics in a 14-15" barrel then you'll need to move up to a 7 Mag or possibly a 280 AI. </p><p></p><p>To get 6.5x47 Laupua performance I had to go to a 260 AI; matching a 7-08 rifle from an 18" needed a 284 Win case; getting a 168gr 30 caliber bullet to 3150 fps (300 Win Mag performance) from a 16" barrel, required a 300 RUM; To match a 338 Win Mag from an 18" barrel I had to go with a 338/375 Ruger (or 330 Dakota/340 Weatherby size case); to get 338 Lapua performance (300gr OTM at 2850 fps+) from a 20" barrel required a 338/408 Improved. The list of different chamberings I've used in specialty pistols goes on and on. The one constant is the need to move up in case capacity to offset the reduction in barrel length.</p><p></p><p>Before building a custom bolt pistol you should take a look at the Nosler 48 NCH pistol. While I don't personally think any of the available chamber options are viable 400+ yard elk cartridges, the gun itself is an excellent option. If you build a custom bolt pistol you'll likely be into the build $2000+ if you start with a custom action so the $2500 price tag on the NCH really isn't that unreasonable. It's a really well thought out design that was obviously built with input from experienced SP shooters. I'd probably call Nosler and see if they could chamber one for something like the 28 Nosler if elk at 400+ yards was my goal. For deer out to 500 yards or targets out to 1200+ yards most of the factory offerings would work well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yorke-1, post: 1522115, member: 11960"] Conventional handgun calibers kill like a muzzle loader and rely heavily on penetration and permanent wound cavity. Handguns chambered for small bore rifle rounds still need the velocity to cause the bullets to expand and cause damage. I can also assure you that no handgun hunter is hunting elk at 400+ yards with a 44 mag, which is the range that the OP is looking at. When shooting short barreled guns you need to either settle for reduced performance or move up to a larger case to make up for the velocity lost in a short barrel. Expect comparable loads to be 150-200fps slower when fired out of a handgun length barrel compared to the same load from a rifle. If you want 300 Win Mag performance from a 15" barrel then you need to move up to a 300 Weatherby or RUM sized case. If you want 7-08 rifle ballistics in a 14-15" barrel then you'll need to move up to a 7 Mag or possibly a 280 AI. To get 6.5x47 Laupua performance I had to go to a 260 AI; matching a 7-08 rifle from an 18" needed a 284 Win case; getting a 168gr 30 caliber bullet to 3150 fps (300 Win Mag performance) from a 16" barrel, required a 300 RUM; To match a 338 Win Mag from an 18" barrel I had to go with a 338/375 Ruger (or 330 Dakota/340 Weatherby size case); to get 338 Lapua performance (300gr OTM at 2850 fps+) from a 20" barrel required a 338/408 Improved. The list of different chamberings I've used in specialty pistols goes on and on. The one constant is the need to move up in case capacity to offset the reduction in barrel length. Before building a custom bolt pistol you should take a look at the Nosler 48 NCH pistol. While I don't personally think any of the available chamber options are viable 400+ yard elk cartridges, the gun itself is an excellent option. If you build a custom bolt pistol you'll likely be into the build $2000+ if you start with a custom action so the $2500 price tag on the NCH really isn't that unreasonable. It's a really well thought out design that was obviously built with input from experienced SP shooters. I'd probably call Nosler and see if they could chamber one for something like the 28 Nosler if elk at 400+ yards was my goal. For deer out to 500 yards or targets out to 1200+ yards most of the factory offerings would work well. [/QUOTE]
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