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Bone to pick with new rifle owners - 100 yards out of the box
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<blockquote data-quote="Turpentine21" data-source="post: 2953547" data-attributes="member: 124909"><p>Can't really disagree with any of that. I have several factory rifles with a few cheap modifications that really shoot well after I have put the necesary load work in. What I have found though is normally, if I spend the money for a better barrel, trigger, and ergonomics I spend way less time in load development and components.</p><p>Ultimately, it's what the rifle on its own is capable of ie. machine rest, no shooter input, etc.</p><p>Versus what that rifle is capable of in the shooters hands. And you are absolutely right. Some rifles just don't have the ergonomics or upgrades to make them as accurate as they can be in a shooters hands. I guess the terms would be more ergonomic and forgiving. I'm not going to spend $6000 in a rifle. I can build myself a nice, accurate custom rifle for under $2000. Minus glass of course. It may not meet every shooters goals but it'll meet or exceed mine.</p><p>I want factory rifles capable of 5/8 moa or better in my hands. Some of my rifles I've built myself, ARs and Bolts will do 3/8" or less for 5 at 100 and do so repeatedly. And do quite well at distance. For me it's about confidence in repeatable accuracy. When a rifle of mine goes over 3/4 moa I generally replace the barrel or make some changes. Unless it's my SKS, K2, AK or house AR or some very sentimental older rigs like the 03-A3 but they serve an entirely different need And I try to keep them original.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Turpentine21, post: 2953547, member: 124909"] Can't really disagree with any of that. I have several factory rifles with a few cheap modifications that really shoot well after I have put the necesary load work in. What I have found though is normally, if I spend the money for a better barrel, trigger, and ergonomics I spend way less time in load development and components. Ultimately, it's what the rifle on its own is capable of ie. machine rest, no shooter input, etc. Versus what that rifle is capable of in the shooters hands. And you are absolutely right. Some rifles just don't have the ergonomics or upgrades to make them as accurate as they can be in a shooters hands. I guess the terms would be more ergonomic and forgiving. I'm not going to spend $6000 in a rifle. I can build myself a nice, accurate custom rifle for under $2000. Minus glass of course. It may not meet every shooters goals but it'll meet or exceed mine. I want factory rifles capable of 5/8 moa or better in my hands. Some of my rifles I've built myself, ARs and Bolts will do 3/8" or less for 5 at 100 and do so repeatedly. And do quite well at distance. For me it's about confidence in repeatable accuracy. When a rifle of mine goes over 3/4 moa I generally replace the barrel or make some changes. Unless it's my SKS, K2, AK or house AR or some very sentimental older rigs like the 03-A3 but they serve an entirely different need And I try to keep them original. [/QUOTE]
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