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<blockquote data-quote="WYO300RUM" data-source="post: 1821255" data-attributes="member: 32631"><p>I agree with you but I don't think the last part was true. If you notice on the Strip and Kiabab in Az. Units 12A 13A 13B and 12B the lion kills are mostly big mature bucks. Same in Ut. on the Paunsagaunt Plateau next door. I have found a few lion kills in Wy. and Ca.and all were mature bucks. I know beside crushing their throats they grab/crush their jaw/snout to suffocate. Every one I've found had blood stained bone on nose area and broken bone. My theory is that big bucks don't run . They stand and fight. Or they can't run as fast as does and smaller bucks. I don't buy the weak and sick but I'm sure they are also opertunnity for them, wolves, coyotes and bobcats. I've have seen a video of a full grown Tom kill a mature 6 pt. bull elk. If I remember correctly it got on its back and had hold of it's neck. Cats almost always will attack from behind and go for neck. I've seen a bobcat/lynx kill a doe antelope . In Ca. I've seen coyotes attack small bucks twice. Once while archery hunting and once rifle. My friend shot the buck and I shot the coyote. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I've seen coyotes go after a group of does twice last season here in Wy . The does go after the coyotes when they are a group. In 2017 I watched does go after a bobcat. He got up in the rocks. I was over 450 yds. Missed him but buddy watching in spot scope said he got a shower of lead and rock and jumped about 6 ft. Straight up. The does never moved. I knew a taxadermist that raised Mtn. Lions and trained big cats for movies , etc.. He told me to never turn your back on a cat. I learned it truth when playing with a half grown female that was declawed. It got bored with me and turned an walked back to it's kennel . Was on a long chain. I turned to walk away it that lion was on my back and had my neck in it's jaws in seconds. It didn't bite hard and was playing I'm sure . If wasn't it would of been more than red marks. Pete got mad at me and said what have I told you ! He locked up the lion. I went over to kennel. It was so strong it could pull my hand to the chain link with two toes. He had a huge Tom he got from Canadian Fish and Game to breed with his felines. It was too mean and would tear into them. He said he was going to kill it and do a life size mount. I have photos of that Tom I took in front of it's kennel snarling and hissing at me. Made my hair stand up . He moved to Co. in mid 80's. Never heard from him again. I still remember his name tho.</p><p>I could tell you a good story about a lion in Chugwater , Wy. but this post is way too long already . Sorry ! And sorry I got behind in posts <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite3" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WYO300RUM, post: 1821255, member: 32631"] I agree with you but I don't think the last part was true. If you notice on the Strip and Kiabab in Az. Units 12A 13A 13B and 12B the lion kills are mostly big mature bucks. Same in Ut. on the Paunsagaunt Plateau next door. I have found a few lion kills in Wy. and Ca.and all were mature bucks. I know beside crushing their throats they grab/crush their jaw/snout to suffocate. Every one I've found had blood stained bone on nose area and broken bone. My theory is that big bucks don't run . They stand and fight. Or they can't run as fast as does and smaller bucks. I don't buy the weak and sick but I'm sure they are also opertunnity for them, wolves, coyotes and bobcats. I've have seen a video of a full grown Tom kill a mature 6 pt. bull elk. If I remember correctly it got on its back and had hold of it's neck. Cats almost always will attack from behind and go for neck. I've seen a bobcat/lynx kill a doe antelope . In Ca. I've seen coyotes attack small bucks twice. Once while archery hunting and once rifle. My friend shot the buck and I shot the coyote. :) I've seen coyotes go after a group of does twice last season here in Wy . The does go after the coyotes when they are a group. In 2017 I watched does go after a bobcat. He got up in the rocks. I was over 450 yds. Missed him but buddy watching in spot scope said he got a shower of lead and rock and jumped about 6 ft. Straight up. The does never moved. I knew a taxadermist that raised Mtn. Lions and trained big cats for movies , etc.. He told me to never turn your back on a cat. I learned it truth when playing with a half grown female that was declawed. It got bored with me and turned an walked back to it's kennel . Was on a long chain. I turned to walk away it that lion was on my back and had my neck in it's jaws in seconds. It didn't bite hard and was playing I'm sure . If wasn't it would of been more than red marks. Pete got mad at me and said what have I told you ! He locked up the lion. I went over to kennel. It was so strong it could pull my hand to the chain link with two toes. He had a huge Tom he got from Canadian Fish and Game to breed with his felines. It was too mean and would tear into them. He said he was going to kill it and do a life size mount. I have photos of that Tom I took in front of it's kennel snarling and hissing at me. Made my hair stand up . He moved to Co. in mid 80's. Never heard from him again. I still remember his name tho. I could tell you a good story about a lion in Chugwater , Wy. but this post is way too long already . Sorry ! And sorry I got behind in posts :( [/QUOTE]
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