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<blockquote data-quote="earl1704" data-source="post: 1780199" data-attributes="member: 8946"><p>The eternal question, which is better Chevy or Ford (when everyone knows it's a Dodge)!</p><p>I shot Bergers several years ago, 300 Winchester mag. 185 VLD Hunting, the short version, I hit a bull elk 6 times at 300 yds, it stayed standing for 5 of the shots. As the herd moved away it dropped about 50 yds from where I first hit it. Had to finish it off with a head shot. All shots hit through the vitals (at one angle or another) except the finishing shot. </p><p>Having a science background I had to figure this out so........I returned with a metal detector scanned the carcass for bullets, and looked for exit holes. What I found was no expansion, all the bullets passed through. There were some light copper fragments on the exit side in the hide.</p><p>Like some of the posts here they say you need to have an exit hole to leave a blood trail for tracking. I live in Idaho if I shoot something I can usually watch it run (if it does) and see it fall 'right over there' 200 or 300 yds away. In short not really much tracking like Slick8 says he is looking for and needs in thick brush country.</p><p>I'm looking for expansion and hydrostatic shock with the bullet dumping all its energy into the carcass the 'DRT' mentality. As for needing to hit the bone, waste of meat as far as I'm concerned but I hunt in wide open country, again I can see where my prey runs if it runs.</p><p>My son a former Marine sniper scout uses a custom made 7mm. He was using and loved Berger 168 Classic Hunter bullets. Bought a 3rd or 4th box and something changed (this was 2 or 3 years ago) started noticing animals not dropping as before with the same Berger bullets. </p><p>So I have gone with Barnes 180 TTXS BT. Wife hit a moose 120 yds it stood for a few seconds started to rock back and forward I told my wife to hit it again since it was getting dark. It fell at the same time she took the second shot. No exit hole, retrieved the bullet it had full expansion very little if any weight loss. All the energy was dumped in the animal with DRT results.</p><p>The problem with Barnes TTSX bullets is you can get 100 Berger bullets for about the same price as 50 Barnes TTSX bullets. </p><p>My son and his wife take more animals a year than I have in the last 15 years. They see the performance good and bad. He has gone to factory ammo and says he gets more consistent performance.</p><p>Everyone loads slightly different, shoots at different altitudes and weather..........but a bullet should expand and dump its energy into the animal every time.........period.</p><p>Just my 2 cents and experience,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="earl1704, post: 1780199, member: 8946"] The eternal question, which is better Chevy or Ford (when everyone knows it's a Dodge)! I shot Bergers several years ago, 300 Winchester mag. 185 VLD Hunting, the short version, I hit a bull elk 6 times at 300 yds, it stayed standing for 5 of the shots. As the herd moved away it dropped about 50 yds from where I first hit it. Had to finish it off with a head shot. All shots hit through the vitals (at one angle or another) except the finishing shot. Having a science background I had to figure this out so........I returned with a metal detector scanned the carcass for bullets, and looked for exit holes. What I found was no expansion, all the bullets passed through. There were some light copper fragments on the exit side in the hide. Like some of the posts here they say you need to have an exit hole to leave a blood trail for tracking. I live in Idaho if I shoot something I can usually watch it run (if it does) and see it fall 'right over there' 200 or 300 yds away. In short not really much tracking like Slick8 says he is looking for and needs in thick brush country. I'm looking for expansion and hydrostatic shock with the bullet dumping all its energy into the carcass the 'DRT' mentality. As for needing to hit the bone, waste of meat as far as I'm concerned but I hunt in wide open country, again I can see where my prey runs if it runs. My son a former Marine sniper scout uses a custom made 7mm. He was using and loved Berger 168 Classic Hunter bullets. Bought a 3rd or 4th box and something changed (this was 2 or 3 years ago) started noticing animals not dropping as before with the same Berger bullets. So I have gone with Barnes 180 TTXS BT. Wife hit a moose 120 yds it stood for a few seconds started to rock back and forward I told my wife to hit it again since it was getting dark. It fell at the same time she took the second shot. No exit hole, retrieved the bullet it had full expansion very little if any weight loss. All the energy was dumped in the animal with DRT results. The problem with Barnes TTSX bullets is you can get 100 Berger bullets for about the same price as 50 Barnes TTSX bullets. My son and his wife take more animals a year than I have in the last 15 years. They see the performance good and bad. He has gone to factory ammo and says he gets more consistent performance. Everyone loads slightly different, shoots at different altitudes and weather..........but a bullet should expand and dump its energy into the animal every time.........period. Just my 2 cents and experience, [/QUOTE]
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