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<blockquote data-quote="N.Y.Arnie" data-source="post: 1559701" data-attributes="member: 108563"><p>OMG men are we ethical sportsman or killers in the forest. From what I have read here it would appear numbers are more to brag about then clean ethical well placed shots. If you want to avoid the butcher and turn shoulders into hamburger then stick with the explosive uncontrolled and reliable fragmentation bullets. I have argued this with a good friend of mine for years. Shock kills !!!! Period. Shock is best created by using the best bullet in the best weight for the particular animal you are pursuing. Speed and weight combined with a controlled expansion through heart and or lungs is what is needed. My buddy of many years loves the ballistic tip and has killed quite a few deer with them but always gets a raised eyebrow upon entering the butcher shop. Usually the remark of what in the hell did you shoot this deer with. I have told him one day a buck of a lifetime will be there in front of him and if that is the day the BT fails how is he going to feel. I have tested rifles from 22 cal up to 30 and have found shock turns the vitals to jelly and weight retention is your best guarantee to accomplish that result all the rest is about odds. Out of all the Barnes triple shocks and Nosler partitions we have shot deer with, we only have recovered one of each of the bullets. Both were head on collision, both died quickly, and the Nosler retained 98% and the Barnes 94% of their original weight. Those bullets did what they were supposed to in extreme circumstances. Remember guys we have a responsibility to our new sportsman and to our selves to set a good example to others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="N.Y.Arnie, post: 1559701, member: 108563"] OMG men are we ethical sportsman or killers in the forest. From what I have read here it would appear numbers are more to brag about then clean ethical well placed shots. If you want to avoid the butcher and turn shoulders into hamburger then stick with the explosive uncontrolled and reliable fragmentation bullets. I have argued this with a good friend of mine for years. Shock kills !!!! Period. Shock is best created by using the best bullet in the best weight for the particular animal you are pursuing. Speed and weight combined with a controlled expansion through heart and or lungs is what is needed. My buddy of many years loves the ballistic tip and has killed quite a few deer with them but always gets a raised eyebrow upon entering the butcher shop. Usually the remark of what in the hell did you shoot this deer with. I have told him one day a buck of a lifetime will be there in front of him and if that is the day the BT fails how is he going to feel. I have tested rifles from 22 cal up to 30 and have found shock turns the vitals to jelly and weight retention is your best guarantee to accomplish that result all the rest is about odds. Out of all the Barnes triple shocks and Nosler partitions we have shot deer with, we only have recovered one of each of the bullets. Both were head on collision, both died quickly, and the Nosler retained 98% and the Barnes 94% of their original weight. Those bullets did what they were supposed to in extreme circumstances. Remember guys we have a responsibility to our new sportsman and to our selves to set a good example to others. [/QUOTE]
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