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Berger Bullets' Move To The G7 Standard BC By Bryan Litz
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<blockquote data-quote="Kevin Thomas" data-source="post: 305312" data-attributes="member: 15748"><p>Hey Bryan,</p><p> </p><p>My pleasure entirely, and again, I really do appreciate your work here. Your response here is something that I'd like to take advantage of to make things a bit clearer. You've stepped off the map of the known world here, in exposing a greater audience to the G7 profile. My concern here is, how many folks now think there is the G1 and G7 models, end of story? You've already done a sterling job of getting the ball rolling here, so let's not let it lose its momentum! What I'd like to see, on an open forum like this, is a brief explanation of the other models out there. Starting with Lowery's G series, specifically the lesser known G2, G3, G4, G5, G6 and GL models and what they're used for. My interest here is not in seeing them become used for trajectory calculations, but just exposing the shooting public to their existance. The fact that there are tables dealing with a variety of bullet forms, that sort of thing. I think that many folks following this thread are already being exposed to some ideas that were previously unknown to the vast majority of the shooting community, and that's a good thing. I know your space was limited in the first book, but have you considered doing anything with a bit more historical background, explaining the origins of such drag models? Probably a bit of a specialty item, I know, but it really is a fascinating history, and I think many people on these boards would be interested in such matters. The original Gavre commision, Krupp, Mayevski, Ingalls, Hodsock, the British 1929 tests, etc., all leading up to the E.D. Lowery's G series (incidentally, so titiled as an homage to the original Gavre commision). </p><p> </p><p>Even with the prevelance of computers and ballistic programs today, I don't expect to see all these models being used, for the very reasons you've already cited here; too cumbersome, and the problems created in making bullet to bullet comparisons that would inevitably result. I agree with you completely about that, no argument at all. But it is an interesting history, and it makes the current models much more undestandable. Puts them in context, as it were. Anyway, as I've said, you've already gotten the ball rolling here, so the hard part is done. You have a ready and interested audience, so what do you think?</p><p> </p><p>Incidentally, I missed you completely at Lodi. Didn't even know you were there until I saw you listed in the results. I'm sure I saw you and just didn't recognize you (mea culpa!) and I do sincerely apologize for that. Would have loved to have had dinner with you, so consider this a rain check for the next time. I'll be at the Spirit of America match in Raton at the end of the month, if you'll make that one. If so, I know some pretty decent places for dinner in Raton or Trinidad . . .</p><p> </p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Kevin</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kevin Thomas, post: 305312, member: 15748"] Hey Bryan, My pleasure entirely, and again, I really do appreciate your work here. Your response here is something that I'd like to take advantage of to make things a bit clearer. You've stepped off the map of the known world here, in exposing a greater audience to the G7 profile. My concern here is, how many folks now think there is the G1 and G7 models, end of story? You've already done a sterling job of getting the ball rolling here, so let's not let it lose its momentum! What I'd like to see, on an open forum like this, is a brief explanation of the other models out there. Starting with Lowery's G series, specifically the lesser known G2, G3, G4, G5, G6 and GL models and what they're used for. My interest here is not in seeing them become used for trajectory calculations, but just exposing the shooting public to their existance. The fact that there are tables dealing with a variety of bullet forms, that sort of thing. I think that many folks following this thread are already being exposed to some ideas that were previously unknown to the vast majority of the shooting community, and that's a good thing. I know your space was limited in the first book, but have you considered doing anything with a bit more historical background, explaining the origins of such drag models? Probably a bit of a specialty item, I know, but it really is a fascinating history, and I think many people on these boards would be interested in such matters. The original Gavre commision, Krupp, Mayevski, Ingalls, Hodsock, the British 1929 tests, etc., all leading up to the E.D. Lowery's G series (incidentally, so titiled as an homage to the original Gavre commision). Even with the prevelance of computers and ballistic programs today, I don't expect to see all these models being used, for the very reasons you've already cited here; too cumbersome, and the problems created in making bullet to bullet comparisons that would inevitably result. I agree with you completely about that, no argument at all. But it is an interesting history, and it makes the current models much more undestandable. Puts them in context, as it were. Anyway, as I've said, you've already gotten the ball rolling here, so the hard part is done. You have a ready and interested audience, so what do you think? Incidentally, I missed you completely at Lodi. Didn't even know you were there until I saw you listed in the results. I'm sure I saw you and just didn't recognize you (mea culpa!) and I do sincerely apologize for that. Would have loved to have had dinner with you, so consider this a rain check for the next time. I'll be at the Spirit of America match in Raton at the end of the month, if you'll make that one. If so, I know some pretty decent places for dinner in Raton or Trinidad . . . Thanks, Kevin [/QUOTE]
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