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Belted vs. non-belted for accuracy.
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<blockquote data-quote="Deleted member 46119" data-source="post: 1400372"><p>Ahhh,</p><p></p><p>Interesting point. A 300 WinMag with out the belt. A 7mm RemMag without the belt. A 264 RemMag without the belt. A Weatherby without the belt.</p><p></p><p>Done so the only "beneficial" change is no belt.</p><p></p><p>For the shooter and handloader removing the belt:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">removes the "problem" of excessive expansion above the belt stopping chambering</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">case wall thickness differential at the belt creating a stress difference in sizing, causes head separation</li> </ul><p>It does not mean you get to skip annealing (haha)</p><p></p><p>For the wildcatter removing the belt means that more accurate shoulder forming is required.</p><p></p><p>We already know with the 585HE based cases from [USER=6474]@hubel458[/USER] that the belt can be removed. </p><p></p><p>Since I don't know how belted cases are made in the forming process, I can't comment on the benefit to the manufacturer for not making the belt. Some rifle maker+ammunition maker would need to take this on to make it fly. If I were a commercial maker I would not do this unless there was some "perceived" benefit that could be market hyped to create sales.</p><p></p><p>In order to create hyped sales there needs to appear to be more benefit than just removing the belt. The 300WSM/SAUM/RCM and relatives were created to have the case capacity/power of a 300WM in a short action. The XX-Nosler creates the case capacity of a 300 Weatherby without a belt and fits a "standard" long action magazine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deleted member 46119, post: 1400372"] Ahhh, Interesting point. A 300 WinMag with out the belt. A 7mm RemMag without the belt. A 264 RemMag without the belt. A Weatherby without the belt. Done so the only "beneficial" change is no belt. For the shooter and handloader removing the belt: [LIST] [*]removes the "problem" of excessive expansion above the belt stopping chambering [*]case wall thickness differential at the belt creating a stress difference in sizing, causes head separation [/LIST] It does not mean you get to skip annealing (haha) For the wildcatter removing the belt means that more accurate shoulder forming is required. We already know with the 585HE based cases from [USER=6474]@hubel458[/USER] that the belt can be removed. Since I don't know how belted cases are made in the forming process, I can't comment on the benefit to the manufacturer for not making the belt. Some rifle maker+ammunition maker would need to take this on to make it fly. If I were a commercial maker I would not do this unless there was some "perceived" benefit that could be market hyped to create sales. In order to create hyped sales there needs to appear to be more benefit than just removing the belt. The 300WSM/SAUM/RCM and relatives were created to have the case capacity/power of a 300WM in a short action. The XX-Nosler creates the case capacity of a 300 Weatherby without a belt and fits a "standard" long action magazine. [/QUOTE]
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