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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 1067345" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>Throw those Federals away. Well, they'd be good enough for black bear...</p><p></p><p>The "special" features of the Brennekes are the wad cutter frontal face and hard cast, non-expanding slugs. They aren't designed to mushroom or deform when they hit a game animal. They're shaped like wad cutter pistol bullets, and the flat frontal face means lots of tissue damage compared to the round nose slugs of the same diameter. They provide deep penetration (no expansion compared to that soft lead, splattering Federal slug), and a good amount of trauma to the animal (wad cutter). A 12 gauge slug is already greater than 0.7" in diameter. You don't want further diameter (expansion) at the cost of reduced penetration.</p><p></p><p>The Brenneke USA Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum 2 3/4" shell has only been on the market for less than one year. My brother carries them in his gun shop, and he's sold some for bear protection. They're a bit more expensive than the standard line of Brenneke slugs, but 10 will last you a long, long time - even after you fire several through your weapon to ensure POI and function. They would be great slugs to stop the largest of bear at close range. If they'll penetrate an engine block, they'll plow deep into the biggest bears with ease also.</p><p></p><p>Brenneke sells a 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz 12 gauge slug, which the local ADF&G prefers. He provides bear protection training for Alaska employees. He's had attendees short stroke their 3" pumps more commonly than those shooting 2 3/4" pump actions. However if you're experienced with a 3" pump action shot gun, I say it's a non issue. Brenneke also sells a 3" 1 3/8 oz Black Magic 12 gauge slug. I killed a bull moose with one of these at a distance of ~125 yards around 12 years ago while I was out Sandhill Crane hunting. </p><p></p><p>I just visited the Brenneke web site. <a href="http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/h_products.html" target="_blank">Products</a></p><p></p><p>I see they now sell a new 3" <strong>1 1/2oz</strong> 12 gauge slug, called their Magnum Crush. That would be a bear stopper for sure.</p><p></p><p>So in addition to their Special Forces Maximum Barrier slug, any of these 3 additional Brenneke slugs / products would be good bear protection slugs for smooth bore barrels.</p><p></p><p>12 gauge <u>2 3/4"</u> <strong>1 1/4oz</strong> Heavy Field Short Magnum Green Lightning</p><p><a href="http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/245.html" target="_blank">Ballistic Data 12 / 2¾"</a></p><p>12 gauge <u>3"</u> <strong>1 3/8oz</strong> Black Magic </p><p><a href="http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/blackmagic.html?&L=0%20onfocus%3DblurLink%28this%29" target="_blank">12 GA 3'' Black Magic</a></p><p>12 gauge <u>3"</u> <strong>1 1/2oz</strong> Magnum Crush</p><p><a href="http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/magnumcrush.html" target="_blank">12 GA 3'' Magnum Crush</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 1067345, member: 4191"] Throw those Federals away. Well, they'd be good enough for black bear... The "special" features of the Brennekes are the wad cutter frontal face and hard cast, non-expanding slugs. They aren't designed to mushroom or deform when they hit a game animal. They're shaped like wad cutter pistol bullets, and the flat frontal face means lots of tissue damage compared to the round nose slugs of the same diameter. They provide deep penetration (no expansion compared to that soft lead, splattering Federal slug), and a good amount of trauma to the animal (wad cutter). A 12 gauge slug is already greater than 0.7" in diameter. You don't want further diameter (expansion) at the cost of reduced penetration. The Brenneke USA Special Forces Maximum Barrier Penetration Magnum 2 3/4" shell has only been on the market for less than one year. My brother carries them in his gun shop, and he's sold some for bear protection. They're a bit more expensive than the standard line of Brenneke slugs, but 10 will last you a long, long time - even after you fire several through your weapon to ensure POI and function. They would be great slugs to stop the largest of bear at close range. If they'll penetrate an engine block, they'll plow deep into the biggest bears with ease also. Brenneke sells a 2 3/4" 1 1/4 oz 12 gauge slug, which the local ADF&G prefers. He provides bear protection training for Alaska employees. He's had attendees short stroke their 3" pumps more commonly than those shooting 2 3/4" pump actions. However if you're experienced with a 3" pump action shot gun, I say it's a non issue. Brenneke also sells a 3" 1 3/8 oz Black Magic 12 gauge slug. I killed a bull moose with one of these at a distance of ~125 yards around 12 years ago while I was out Sandhill Crane hunting. I just visited the Brenneke web site. [url=http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/h_products.html]Products[/url] I see they now sell a new 3" [B]1 1/2oz[/B] 12 gauge slug, called their Magnum Crush. That would be a bear stopper for sure. So in addition to their Special Forces Maximum Barrier slug, any of these 3 additional Brenneke slugs / products would be good bear protection slugs for smooth bore barrels. 12 gauge [U]2 3/4"[/U] [B]1 1/4oz[/B] Heavy Field Short Magnum Green Lightning [url=http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/245.html]Ballistic Data 12 / 2¾”[/url] 12 gauge [U]3"[/U] [B]1 3/8oz[/B] Black Magic [url=http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/blackmagic.html?&L=0%20onfocus%3DblurLink%28this%29]12 GA 3'' Black Magic[/url] 12 gauge [U]3"[/U] [B]1 1/2oz[/B] Magnum Crush [url=http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/magnumcrush.html]12 GA 3'' Magnum Crush[/url] [/QUOTE]
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