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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 1062457" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>First off, I'm glad the chargers were dropped against this guy. As I already stated, being able to carry is a 2nd A right, inside or outside parks. Being able to carry but not being able to use the weapon in self defense is total BS. Good for him and good for the precedent the case set.</p><p></p><p>As far as the story goes, my first question is what type of spray did he have?</p><p></p><p>My next observation based on the reading is it sounds like he had both the spray and the 357 drawn, one in each hand. That seems a little odd to me. People usually carry either spray or a gun and seldom both but it is certainly possible he had both and if he was interviewed by the rangers on the spot it's probably true. But having both drawn at the same time seems odd.</p><p></p><p>I think it's possible that he discharged the spray at a greater distance than 15-25' and when the bear did not stop he fired the gun. If he waited to shoot a charging bear inside 15', that bear is basically on top of him.</p><p></p><p>Another observation is that the bear was not put down. In this case the bear fled, but bears don't always run when they're shot. "fight or flight".... sometimes flight.... and sometimes fight.</p><p></p><p>For all you semi auto fans, most of you are probably packing 40 S&W which is less potent than a 357 mag and IMO, a marginal round for killing bears. Like I mentioned before, my min would ba a 41 Mag shooting heavy hard cast bullets.</p><p></p><p>The guy only shot one round into the bear and now you have a wounded bear running around. I have no clue why he didn't pump more rounds into it. If you're going to shoot a bear, do your best to kill it.</p><p></p><p>Now I suppose some folks will say that this is proof that guns are better bear deterrence than spray. Not necessarily so. This is one anecdotal case with sketchy details. The study I linked earlier cites several case in which guns failed to sop bears from injuring or killing. I could surf the net for more cases. It has happened and it does happen. We could get into a ping pong match, you link this case and I link that one.... on and on ad nauseum. I'm not going to do that.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line, neither option is 100% full proof.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 1062457, member: 11717"] First off, I'm glad the chargers were dropped against this guy. As I already stated, being able to carry is a 2nd A right, inside or outside parks. Being able to carry but not being able to use the weapon in self defense is total BS. Good for him and good for the precedent the case set. As far as the story goes, my first question is what type of spray did he have? My next observation based on the reading is it sounds like he had both the spray and the 357 drawn, one in each hand. That seems a little odd to me. People usually carry either spray or a gun and seldom both but it is certainly possible he had both and if he was interviewed by the rangers on the spot it's probably true. But having both drawn at the same time seems odd. I think it's possible that he discharged the spray at a greater distance than 15-25' and when the bear did not stop he fired the gun. If he waited to shoot a charging bear inside 15', that bear is basically on top of him. Another observation is that the bear was not put down. In this case the bear fled, but bears don't always run when they're shot. "fight or flight".... sometimes flight.... and sometimes fight. For all you semi auto fans, most of you are probably packing 40 S&W which is less potent than a 357 mag and IMO, a marginal round for killing bears. Like I mentioned before, my min would ba a 41 Mag shooting heavy hard cast bullets. The guy only shot one round into the bear and now you have a wounded bear running around. I have no clue why he didn't pump more rounds into it. If you're going to shoot a bear, do your best to kill it. Now I suppose some folks will say that this is proof that guns are better bear deterrence than spray. Not necessarily so. This is one anecdotal case with sketchy details. The study I linked earlier cites several case in which guns failed to sop bears from injuring or killing. I could surf the net for more cases. It has happened and it does happen. We could get into a ping pong match, you link this case and I link that one.... on and on ad nauseum. I'm not going to do that. Bottom line, neither option is 100% full proof. [/QUOTE]
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