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<blockquote data-quote="Pdvdh" data-source="post: 1186043" data-attributes="member: 4191"><p>If they don't jam and you have time for more than one shot, they work. I'm aware of incidents where semi-auto 308s have stopped charging brown bear. The shooter engaged the bear from a distance exceeding 30yds on the first shot, and pumped about 8 rounds into the sow as she attempted to close the distance. There are many firearms that will save your life most of the time.</p><p></p><p>I don't know what cartridge you have in mind with "big bore AR-15".</p><p></p><p>When I think bear firepower, I think worst case, in-your-face close dead serious charges, and thus a cartridge and firearm that's most apt to drop them permanently with one solid body blow. I still want the ability for a few rapid follow-up shots, just in case I blow the first shot fired. Or should the bear be exceptionally amped up on crack cocaine, to the point of ultimate shock resistance.</p><p></p><p>458 Win Mags and 12ga Brenneke slugs both meet the specs for solid body blow one-shot stoppers. Then it's a matter of which firearm offers the better option for multiple follow-up, finisher shots.</p><p></p><p>For hunting, including longer range shots, the .458 is by far the better choice, because of improved accuracy, and because the Brenneke slugs shed their velocity much more quickly over increasing range. For defensive uses, close range charges, and close range firepower, the 12ga Brenneke Rem 870 is the better choice. In my (not so) humble opinion.</p><p></p><p>Or multiple cans of bear spray...</p><p></p><p>Most any firearm is better than a club.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pdvdh, post: 1186043, member: 4191"] If they don't jam and you have time for more than one shot, they work. I'm aware of incidents where semi-auto 308s have stopped charging brown bear. The shooter engaged the bear from a distance exceeding 30yds on the first shot, and pumped about 8 rounds into the sow as she attempted to close the distance. There are many firearms that will save your life most of the time. I don't know what cartridge you have in mind with "big bore AR-15". When I think bear firepower, I think worst case, in-your-face close dead serious charges, and thus a cartridge and firearm that's most apt to drop them permanently with one solid body blow. I still want the ability for a few rapid follow-up shots, just in case I blow the first shot fired. Or should the bear be exceptionally amped up on crack cocaine, to the point of ultimate shock resistance. 458 Win Mags and 12ga Brenneke slugs both meet the specs for solid body blow one-shot stoppers. Then it's a matter of which firearm offers the better option for multiple follow-up, finisher shots. For hunting, including longer range shots, the .458 is by far the better choice, because of improved accuracy, and because the Brenneke slugs shed their velocity much more quickly over increasing range. For defensive uses, close range charges, and close range firepower, the 12ga Brenneke Rem 870 is the better choice. In my (not so) humble opinion. Or multiple cans of bear spray... Most any firearm is better than a club. [/QUOTE]
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