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<blockquote data-quote="SansSouci" data-source="post: 1237809" data-attributes="member: 84520"><p>FEENIX,</p><p></p><p>I'm still on the fence with bear pepper spray. If a scientist can isolate causality of oleoresin capsicum as causal of stopping wild, charging bears of a scientifically significant population to the elimination of all confounding factors, I'd be good. But I've read contradicting reports, some alleging the efficacy of OC spray on bears was agenda-driven junk science. But there's more.</p><p></p><p>As the guys in the video mentioned, grizzlies are extremely fast. So are black bears. If you're hunting with a rifle, a hunter would not have time to get his rifle out of his hands and reach for pepper spray. Also, on the day of attack, the older of the two said a breeze was blowing in his face which would've precluded use of spray. Were a hunter to get OC spray in his face, it will be all over but the bear dining on him. </p><p></p><p>When I hunt alone, I always hunt with a round in the chamber of my rifle. I never carry a handgun while hunting. </p><p></p><p>One has to be absolutely certain what would be the best available weapon for stopping any charging bear. Would pepper stray work better than an '06? If so, that would mean that while hunting in bear areas, pepper spray should be at the ready with rifle shouldered. But that makes no sense. </p><p></p><p>As we know, bears are extremely fast. Not many develop muscle memory, or what the hunters in the video called conditioned response. The terms are synonymous. However, there is a transference of muscle memory from bad guy tactical applications to all threats to one's life. It's all about responding under pressure as taught. For me, it's shooting and continue shooting until the threat ceases to be a threat. </p><p></p><p>Another consideration is to never surrender a tactical advantage. It would not be wise to shoulder a rifle and try to bring pepper stray to battery. And one must never use pepper spray where he might become contaminated by it. </p><p></p><p>I'm skeptical of "research" that indicates superiority of OC spray to a high power rifle. There would be plethora of differentiating factors to assume similarities of attacks. I've watched a video of a dude with balls the size of Saturn stand dead still at a charging elephant. He fired his second shot with the beast bearing down at him yards away. The beast immediately hit the ground. I've seen similar videos of hunters doing the same with African lion and Cape buffalo. The point is you gotta go with what you have most faith in saving your life. You might not get a second chance. </p><p></p><p>Had the younger hunter had his rifle ready to fire, he'd of killed that bear deader that dead with a shot from most high power rifles to the center of any bear's neck. That was a huge tactical error on his part. </p><p></p><p>I've never killed a bear. If I wanted to, I could drive to certain areas of the Eastern Sierra or CA's northern coast and kill a huge one. But I have no desire to kill a bear, especially in this gun-hostile anti-hunting state. I refuse to buy a CA hunting license. I do have an overwhelming desire to keep my kids and me from becoming a bear's dinner. </p><p></p><p>Now here's irony: after all of this, the one animal I most fear in the wild is mountain lion. You can't here those SOB's stalking you. It wouldn't matter what you have for defense. Once one of those beasts grabs the nape of a hunter's neck, he's dead within a second or two. </p><p></p><p>I once knew an archery hunter who was stalking a buck. He felt an unsettling feeling. He turned around to see a mountain lion stalking him. He was so undone by his very close encounter with certain death, that he packed up and went home.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SansSouci, post: 1237809, member: 84520"] FEENIX, I'm still on the fence with bear pepper spray. If a scientist can isolate causality of oleoresin capsicum as causal of stopping wild, charging bears of a scientifically significant population to the elimination of all confounding factors, I'd be good. But I've read contradicting reports, some alleging the efficacy of OC spray on bears was agenda-driven junk science. But there's more. As the guys in the video mentioned, grizzlies are extremely fast. So are black bears. If you're hunting with a rifle, a hunter would not have time to get his rifle out of his hands and reach for pepper spray. Also, on the day of attack, the older of the two said a breeze was blowing in his face which would've precluded use of spray. Were a hunter to get OC spray in his face, it will be all over but the bear dining on him. When I hunt alone, I always hunt with a round in the chamber of my rifle. I never carry a handgun while hunting. One has to be absolutely certain what would be the best available weapon for stopping any charging bear. Would pepper stray work better than an '06? If so, that would mean that while hunting in bear areas, pepper spray should be at the ready with rifle shouldered. But that makes no sense. As we know, bears are extremely fast. Not many develop muscle memory, or what the hunters in the video called conditioned response. The terms are synonymous. However, there is a transference of muscle memory from bad guy tactical applications to all threats to one's life. It's all about responding under pressure as taught. For me, it's shooting and continue shooting until the threat ceases to be a threat. Another consideration is to never surrender a tactical advantage. It would not be wise to shoulder a rifle and try to bring pepper stray to battery. And one must never use pepper spray where he might become contaminated by it. I'm skeptical of "research" that indicates superiority of OC spray to a high power rifle. There would be plethora of differentiating factors to assume similarities of attacks. I've watched a video of a dude with balls the size of Saturn stand dead still at a charging elephant. He fired his second shot with the beast bearing down at him yards away. The beast immediately hit the ground. I've seen similar videos of hunters doing the same with African lion and Cape buffalo. The point is you gotta go with what you have most faith in saving your life. You might not get a second chance. Had the younger hunter had his rifle ready to fire, he'd of killed that bear deader that dead with a shot from most high power rifles to the center of any bear's neck. That was a huge tactical error on his part. I've never killed a bear. If I wanted to, I could drive to certain areas of the Eastern Sierra or CA's northern coast and kill a huge one. But I have no desire to kill a bear, especially in this gun-hostile anti-hunting state. I refuse to buy a CA hunting license. I do have an overwhelming desire to keep my kids and me from becoming a bear's dinner. Now here's irony: after all of this, the one animal I most fear in the wild is mountain lion. You can't here those SOB's stalking you. It wouldn't matter what you have for defense. Once one of those beasts grabs the nape of a hunter's neck, he's dead within a second or two. I once knew an archery hunter who was stalking a buck. He felt an unsettling feeling. He turned around to see a mountain lion stalking him. He was so undone by his very close encounter with certain death, that he packed up and went home. [/QUOTE]
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