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Barnes Response to Berger
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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 312885" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>idig4au,</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I see you are getting a few replies and I am not trying to pile on. I do want to say, I just don't see what you seem to be reporting. There are a lot of opinionated folks on this site including me and you. I see very few people bashing other people because of the Cartridge, Bullet, Scope, etc. they use. A lot of guys might say, "I think that xxxx is the best thing since sliced bread", but that's not hammering the other guy just because he chooses yyyy.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This discussion IS NOT about Berger hammer Barnes because they have an inferior bullet. In fact, if you go back and read the original Barnes article, Barnes is the one who is implying that their bullets are superior to the Bergers, and using data that does not stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The Berger guys merely defended themselves and in doing so, pointed out what appears to be made up data.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So the question to you is, Is Barnes data in that article accurate? There are a few other subjective statements and conclusions that also appear to be very questionable if not out right over the top.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For short to medium range, I will use a Barnes bullet before a Berger for taking game, especially large bodied and/or dangerous game and especially with smaller calibers. But not because of their article.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In that article, they imply that the Barnes bullets are a better long range hunting bullet than the Bergers. Depending on the definition of long range hunting, it is for the most part ridiculous. Bergers are more accurate, they go farther, they buck wind better and they do expand and cause lethal damage. As already mentioned, they should stick to their strong points and appeal the hunters who like those points and stop trying to be something they aren't unless they are willing to actually change the design of their bullets. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Nosler has come out with a better LR monometal than Barnes and other monometal makers are busy developing LR bullets. But this is going on a tangent.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Barnes started all of this, so maybe you should ask them if what they say is true. I plan to.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-MR</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 312885, member: 11717"] idig4au, [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I see you are getting a few replies and I am not trying to pile on. I do want to say, I just don't see what you seem to be reporting. There are a lot of opinionated folks on this site including me and you. I see very few people bashing other people because of the Cartridge, Bullet, Scope, etc. they use. A lot of guys might say, "I think that xxxx is the best thing since sliced bread", but that's not hammering the other guy just because he chooses yyyy.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]This discussion IS NOT about Berger hammer Barnes because they have an inferior bullet. In fact, if you go back and read the original Barnes article, Barnes is the one who is implying that their bullets are superior to the Bergers, and using data that does not stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The Berger guys merely defended themselves and in doing so, pointed out what appears to be made up data.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So the question to you is, Is Barnes data in that article accurate? There are a few other subjective statements and conclusions that also appear to be very questionable if not out right over the top.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]For short to medium range, I will use a Barnes bullet before a Berger for taking game, especially large bodied and/or dangerous game and especially with smaller calibers. But not because of their article.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]In that article, they imply that the Barnes bullets are a better long range hunting bullet than the Bergers. Depending on the definition of long range hunting, it is for the most part ridiculous. Bergers are more accurate, they go farther, they buck wind better and they do expand and cause lethal damage. As already mentioned, they should stick to their strong points and appeal the hunters who like those points and stop trying to be something they aren't unless they are willing to actually change the design of their bullets. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Nosler has come out with a better LR monometal than Barnes and other monometal makers are busy developing LR bullets. But this is going on a tangent.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Barnes started all of this, so maybe you should ask them if what they say is true. I plan to.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]-MR[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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