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Barnes LRX TTSX, which one??
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<blockquote data-quote="500yd" data-source="post: 733954" data-attributes="member: 27428"><p>I'm apparently skewed by my experience. In the area where I've hunted since age 16 (41 now) one most often simply doesn't have time to throw range finder glass on the animal, bring the rifle up, click turrets...the deer is already moving again, into the timber, brush, or behind a terrace, into the ditch, etc. When someone offers a scope with a built in rangefinder for a reasonable price, that means under $300 around here, for those features, then having a flat shooting round won't be as important. If I have high wind speed at anything other than 180 degrees front or back I simply won't shoot over 200 yards or so. If it's high speed it's always severly gusty out there due to the terrain and storm front dynamics. It seems it's only constant when it's a breeze and weather is warm, 10 mph or less, which is easily managed.</p><p></p><p>The TTSX 110 changes that game for intermediate range. 3500 FPS from a 308 and 3800+ from 300 WSM. Well over 4000 with a RUM. All three shoot as flat or flatter than a 22-250 to 500 yds. For long range trajectory, no, the 110 isn't remotely suitable due to the flat base and .295 BC. It sheds speed and energy relatively quickly. Again, the OP asked for up to 500yds.</p><p></p><p>Not if one already has a .30. Lighter bullets are a tad bit cheaper than new rifles.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't have to if you're not shooting game past 500 yds. Yes, this is LRH, but let's face it, most engagements are at much lesser distances. And the criteria of the OP was up to 500 yds, not 1000.</p><p></p><p>No, not just low SD, but light rounds period, was their opinion, IIRC. That's why the video I posted of the gal taking that cow at 688 yds with the .243 Win caused such an uproar. And the 105 VLD she used is decidedly "heavy for caliber" for a .243 Winchester. Factory loads top out at 100gr.</p><p></p><p>With due respect to their experience, do note that the guys of the opposite opinion of mine are all shooting man portable cannons and 200gr or larger slugs, weapons and rounds capable of killing not only elk, <strong>but any animal in North America, including grizzlies and polar bear</strong> for Pete's sake. If a girl can kill an elk with a .243 Winchester at ~700 yds, that leaves a helluva lot of room for calibers and slugs in between for work at 500 or less. And I don't think anyone would argue that the bulk of elk harvested each year in this country are taken by mortal shooters with mortal guns and bullets of 180gr or less, in 25-06, 270, 308, 30-06, 7mm-mag, etc. And many of these are shooting old school cheap non boat tail factory soft points.</p><p></p><p>Regarding "light for caliber" a 150gr TTSX, 155 VLD, or similar, from a 300 RUM would surely be considered by these same folks as such. But I don't think any of them would say it won't kill any elk at 500yds any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If they do you should reconsider the value you attach to their experience.</p><p></p><p>Inferior to what? Todd's 338 Edge? Everything on this forum is inferior to that mini-howitzer. gun)I think "adequate" and "optimal" are where this discussion is, not killing an elk and felling a small tree behind it.</p><p></p><p>Who enjoys heavy recoil if they can have lighter recoil and still put the animal down?</p><p></p><p>Oh, sorry for the confusion. When I mentioned "bloody mess" I was referring to field gutting, not meat damage. It's not an issue if air temp is above 25 or so, and the water and soap in my pack are still liquids. But on those 20 degree or lower days an ocean of blood in the cavity makes cleaning up a PITA, especially if I forget to pack the dish washing gloves, which I prefer not using if I can avoid it. I've tried 'wipes' but they don't work so hot in the cold either. I'm open to better ideas on this subject. I got spoiled hunting the private side of the timber for over two decades. We kept all our field dressing gear/supplies in the pickup and always drove to the carcass. Backpacking everything in/out on the public side sucks. Mom hunts as well and she's 69 so I pack some of her gear as well. Not meaning to complain. I love it that she still hunts. Just letting y'all know how it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="500yd, post: 733954, member: 27428"] I'm apparently skewed by my experience. In the area where I've hunted since age 16 (41 now) one most often simply doesn't have time to throw range finder glass on the animal, bring the rifle up, click turrets...the deer is already moving again, into the timber, brush, or behind a terrace, into the ditch, etc. When someone offers a scope with a built in rangefinder for a reasonable price, that means under $300 around here, for those features, then having a flat shooting round won't be as important. If I have high wind speed at anything other than 180 degrees front or back I simply won't shoot over 200 yards or so. If it's high speed it's always severly gusty out there due to the terrain and storm front dynamics. It seems it's only constant when it's a breeze and weather is warm, 10 mph or less, which is easily managed. The TTSX 110 changes that game for intermediate range. 3500 FPS from a 308 and 3800+ from 300 WSM. Well over 4000 with a RUM. All three shoot as flat or flatter than a 22-250 to 500 yds. For long range trajectory, no, the 110 isn't remotely suitable due to the flat base and .295 BC. It sheds speed and energy relatively quickly. Again, the OP asked for up to 500yds. Not if one already has a .30. Lighter bullets are a tad bit cheaper than new rifles. It doesn't have to if you're not shooting game past 500 yds. Yes, this is LRH, but let's face it, most engagements are at much lesser distances. And the criteria of the OP was up to 500 yds, not 1000. No, not just low SD, but light rounds period, was their opinion, IIRC. That's why the video I posted of the gal taking that cow at 688 yds with the .243 Win caused such an uproar. And the 105 VLD she used is decidedly "heavy for caliber" for a .243 Winchester. Factory loads top out at 100gr. With due respect to their experience, do note that the guys of the opposite opinion of mine are all shooting man portable cannons and 200gr or larger slugs, weapons and rounds capable of killing not only elk, [B]but any animal in North America, including grizzlies and polar bear[/B] for Pete's sake. If a girl can kill an elk with a .243 Winchester at ~700 yds, that leaves a helluva lot of room for calibers and slugs in between for work at 500 or less. And I don't think anyone would argue that the bulk of elk harvested each year in this country are taken by mortal shooters with mortal guns and bullets of 180gr or less, in 25-06, 270, 308, 30-06, 7mm-mag, etc. And many of these are shooting old school cheap non boat tail factory soft points. Regarding "light for caliber" a 150gr TTSX, 155 VLD, or similar, from a 300 RUM would surely be considered by these same folks as such. But I don't think any of them would say it won't kill any elk at 500yds any day of the week and twice on Sunday. If they do you should reconsider the value you attach to their experience. Inferior to what? Todd's 338 Edge? Everything on this forum is inferior to that mini-howitzer. gun)I think "adequate" and "optimal" are where this discussion is, not killing an elk and felling a small tree behind it. Who enjoys heavy recoil if they can have lighter recoil and still put the animal down? Oh, sorry for the confusion. When I mentioned "bloody mess" I was referring to field gutting, not meat damage. It's not an issue if air temp is above 25 or so, and the water and soap in my pack are still liquids. But on those 20 degree or lower days an ocean of blood in the cavity makes cleaning up a PITA, especially if I forget to pack the dish washing gloves, which I prefer not using if I can avoid it. I've tried 'wipes' but they don't work so hot in the cold either. I'm open to better ideas on this subject. I got spoiled hunting the private side of the timber for over two decades. We kept all our field dressing gear/supplies in the pickup and always drove to the carcass. Backpacking everything in/out on the public side sucks. Mom hunts as well and she's 69 so I pack some of her gear as well. Not meaning to complain. I love it that she still hunts. Just letting y'all know how it is. [/QUOTE]
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