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ballistically challenged Tikka T3 Lite 30-06
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<blockquote data-quote="MajorSpittle" data-source="post: 695902" data-attributes="member: 53101"><p>@ Jeff, I appreciate your input and can see how I come off on the forum as not being so open minded. I did try 4 different types of ammo, 150, 165, and 180 grains and remounting the scope in steal rings with weaver style base vs the aluminum rings that it comes with in the rifles dovetail. I verified that the action screws were tight and yes I looked at the $100 Pentax Gameseek made in china as the culprit and was wrong. Keep in mind that this rifle is guaranteed to shoot sub MOA with ANY factory ammo out of the box and i was getting 1.5 at best and 2+ MOA as the usual.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, I just got back from the range, after firing 3 new types of ammo and I had my old Simmons WTC 3.5-10X50 mounted for a sanity check and also took my Redfield scope.</p><p> </p><p>1st I shot 150gr Super X with the WTC from the cold cleaned gun fired 2 shots to sight in then a 1" 3 rnd group. Let the gun cool for 30min and then fired a 2.25" group with the same ammo. I then pulled that scope and remounded my Redfield that was still mounted in the same rings (Weaver bases and rings on both Scopes).</p><p> </p><p>2nd, I cleaned the gun and it sat for about an hour before I fire my first 3 round group with the same 150gr Super X ammo and scope set to 10x the same as the WTC, 1 1/8" group. Let the gun sit 15 min and shot my second group with the same ammo 2 3/4". </p><p> </p><p>3rd, let gun cool 30 min and shot 3 round group of Super X 180 gr. with scope back at 12x for a 1 3/4". rest of the groups were with scope at 12 power.</p><p> </p><p>4th, let gun cool 30 min and shot 3 round group of Fusion 150gr. 1.25" with 2 rounds in same hole. Let gun cool 15 min and fired 3 more at same target putting first round in same hole as other two, next round 1.5" off by itself, next round half in the hole that was 1.25" away in first group. So that was a 6 rnd group 1.5". </p><p> </p><p>5th, let gun cool 15 min and shot 3 round group of Remington 165gr. Core Lokt PSP 2", let gun cool 10 min and shot 3 more into same group 2" total for 6 rnd group. </p><p> </p><p>Ammo tried Federal Power ShoK 150/180, Rem Core Lokt PSP 165, Win Super X 150/180, Fusion 150gr, and an old box of Win Super X 150gr and old box of Federal Classic 150 gr. </p><p> </p><p>2 mounting systems, Factory and Weaver base and rings.</p><p> </p><p>3 scopes. Simmons WTC, Redfield Revolution, Pentax Gameseeker.</p><p> </p><p>Rifle with stock in factory configuation, barrel free floated in factory stock, aluminum pillars (removed after 12 rounds because didn't help and no difference with or without them). </p><p> </p><p>Nothing shooting sub MOA, mostly getting 1.5-3" groups.</p><p> </p><p>The gun seems real sensitve to heat or not having a clean barrel from what I can tell, but reguardless it does not shoot sub MOA even under the best of conditions. It is my experience that more expensive factory ammo doesn't really mean better groups. Guns like certain bullet weights and powder loads, be it a $20 box of ammo or a $40 box of ammo. I know I could fire sub MOA with my M1903 with the majority of the ammo I have tried in this gun. I'm not looking to tighten up a 2" group at 300 yards here by going to a solid point boat tail with a hand load. </p><p> </p><p>I guess I will be calling the factory next week. Needless to say I am not impressed with my Tikka T3 Lites accuracy.</p><p> </p><p>Edit: Interesting article: <a href="http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/" target="_blank">http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/</a> They only used 1 type of ammo and got Sub MOA out of 4 or 5 different rifles out of the box.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MajorSpittle, post: 695902, member: 53101"] @ Jeff, I appreciate your input and can see how I come off on the forum as not being so open minded. I did try 4 different types of ammo, 150, 165, and 180 grains and remounting the scope in steal rings with weaver style base vs the aluminum rings that it comes with in the rifles dovetail. I verified that the action screws were tight and yes I looked at the $100 Pentax Gameseek made in china as the culprit and was wrong. Keep in mind that this rifle is guaranteed to shoot sub MOA with ANY factory ammo out of the box and i was getting 1.5 at best and 2+ MOA as the usual. Anyway, I just got back from the range, after firing 3 new types of ammo and I had my old Simmons WTC 3.5-10X50 mounted for a sanity check and also took my Redfield scope. 1st I shot 150gr Super X with the WTC from the cold cleaned gun fired 2 shots to sight in then a 1" 3 rnd group. Let the gun cool for 30min and then fired a 2.25" group with the same ammo. I then pulled that scope and remounded my Redfield that was still mounted in the same rings (Weaver bases and rings on both Scopes). 2nd, I cleaned the gun and it sat for about an hour before I fire my first 3 round group with the same 150gr Super X ammo and scope set to 10x the same as the WTC, 1 1/8" group. Let the gun sit 15 min and shot my second group with the same ammo 2 3/4". 3rd, let gun cool 30 min and shot 3 round group of Super X 180 gr. with scope back at 12x for a 1 3/4". rest of the groups were with scope at 12 power. 4th, let gun cool 30 min and shot 3 round group of Fusion 150gr. 1.25" with 2 rounds in same hole. Let gun cool 15 min and fired 3 more at same target putting first round in same hole as other two, next round 1.5" off by itself, next round half in the hole that was 1.25" away in first group. So that was a 6 rnd group 1.5". 5th, let gun cool 15 min and shot 3 round group of Remington 165gr. Core Lokt PSP 2", let gun cool 10 min and shot 3 more into same group 2" total for 6 rnd group. Ammo tried Federal Power ShoK 150/180, Rem Core Lokt PSP 165, Win Super X 150/180, Fusion 150gr, and an old box of Win Super X 150gr and old box of Federal Classic 150 gr. 2 mounting systems, Factory and Weaver base and rings. 3 scopes. Simmons WTC, Redfield Revolution, Pentax Gameseeker. Rifle with stock in factory configuation, barrel free floated in factory stock, aluminum pillars (removed after 12 rounds because didn't help and no difference with or without them). Nothing shooting sub MOA, mostly getting 1.5-3" groups. The gun seems real sensitve to heat or not having a clean barrel from what I can tell, but reguardless it does not shoot sub MOA even under the best of conditions. It is my experience that more expensive factory ammo doesn't really mean better groups. Guns like certain bullet weights and powder loads, be it a $20 box of ammo or a $40 box of ammo. I know I could fire sub MOA with my M1903 with the majority of the ammo I have tried in this gun. I'm not looking to tighten up a 2" group at 300 yards here by going to a solid point boat tail with a hand load. I guess I will be calling the factory next week. Needless to say I am not impressed with my Tikka T3 Lites accuracy. Edit: Interesting article: [URL]http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/minute-of-angle-moa-accuracy-out-of-the-box/[/URL] They only used 1 type of ammo and got Sub MOA out of 4 or 5 different rifles out of the box. [/QUOTE]
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