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<blockquote data-quote="Clucknmoan" data-source="post: 1506186" data-attributes="member: 80034"><p>Update on this situation from a few fronts. </p><p></p><p>May as well get the barrel manufacturers name out there for the first barrel that gave me fits, its a Bartlein. I sent it back in to them and this is what they responded with;</p><p></p><p>As for the copper fouling issue, they said they couldn't see anything wrong with the barrel, but they did a light lapping job on it. They also stated that everyone in the shop felt like I was running this barrel over pressure with the load data I provided. QuickLoad doesn't agree with that, neither do my cases or primers. Majority of the load data given was 180 Berger VLD's, RWS Brass, F215 Primer, H1000 from 68.5 to 76 grains, velocity from 2800 to 3100. My notes say I saw faint ejector 8 times and shiny 3 times out of the 90 some rounds.</p><p></p><p>They also told me that the coppering can be expected out of a "wildcat" cartridge that only has a barrel life of 400 to 500 rounds. I disagreed with that according to my research and folks I have talked with that have shot them for years. They said "we have a larger pool of information."</p><p></p><p>As for the tooling marks on the rifling, they said the light lap job pretty much removed all of them.</p><p></p><p>They want to ship it back to me and run it again to see what happens. I can understand that, but I'm really not interested. I already have quite a bit of $$ and a lot of time sunk into that barrel, I really am not interested in putting any more into it. Especially since the Brux I have on it shoots just fine.</p><p></p><p>As for the new Brux, it started cleaning up real well after 7 shots of shoot 1 clean, moved to sets of 3 for another 12 rounds until there was virtually no copper fouling. At that point I already had a good idea of what it would shoot for now, this barrel acts as it should and is pretty consistent with pressure and accuracy. Shot 2 group of 5 to get a little better sample of average velocity and to get a 250 zero. A few days after that I shot a bull behind the ear at just under 200, I think his head was the first thing to hit the ground. Load development is far from over, I will continue to shoot it where it's at till it fully breaks in and quits speeding up, then I will finish it. </p><p></p><p>It's really my fault that I had to get this done by a deadline, in a perfect world I would have been able to wait on them to have a chance to fix this one before I re-barreled. However, the reasons they are giving me for the fouling are bogus and they didn't give me a reason for the tooling marks. All I really wanted was a blank to replace my gunsmith's shelf supply that I used. What I got was $700 sunk into a barrel that isn't worth much of anything to me. </p><p></p><p>I do have a Brux on it that I am happy with, shoots well just as the rest of them I have do. Shouldn't have went away from something I know works.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clucknmoan, post: 1506186, member: 80034"] Update on this situation from a few fronts. May as well get the barrel manufacturers name out there for the first barrel that gave me fits, its a Bartlein. I sent it back in to them and this is what they responded with; As for the copper fouling issue, they said they couldn't see anything wrong with the barrel, but they did a light lapping job on it. They also stated that everyone in the shop felt like I was running this barrel over pressure with the load data I provided. QuickLoad doesn't agree with that, neither do my cases or primers. Majority of the load data given was 180 Berger VLD's, RWS Brass, F215 Primer, H1000 from 68.5 to 76 grains, velocity from 2800 to 3100. My notes say I saw faint ejector 8 times and shiny 3 times out of the 90 some rounds. They also told me that the coppering can be expected out of a "wildcat" cartridge that only has a barrel life of 400 to 500 rounds. I disagreed with that according to my research and folks I have talked with that have shot them for years. They said "we have a larger pool of information." As for the tooling marks on the rifling, they said the light lap job pretty much removed all of them. They want to ship it back to me and run it again to see what happens. I can understand that, but I'm really not interested. I already have quite a bit of $$ and a lot of time sunk into that barrel, I really am not interested in putting any more into it. Especially since the Brux I have on it shoots just fine. As for the new Brux, it started cleaning up real well after 7 shots of shoot 1 clean, moved to sets of 3 for another 12 rounds until there was virtually no copper fouling. At that point I already had a good idea of what it would shoot for now, this barrel acts as it should and is pretty consistent with pressure and accuracy. Shot 2 group of 5 to get a little better sample of average velocity and to get a 250 zero. A few days after that I shot a bull behind the ear at just under 200, I think his head was the first thing to hit the ground. Load development is far from over, I will continue to shoot it where it's at till it fully breaks in and quits speeding up, then I will finish it. It's really my fault that I had to get this done by a deadline, in a perfect world I would have been able to wait on them to have a chance to fix this one before I re-barreled. However, the reasons they are giving me for the fouling are bogus and they didn't give me a reason for the tooling marks. All I really wanted was a blank to replace my gunsmith's shelf supply that I used. What I got was $700 sunk into a barrel that isn't worth much of anything to me. I do have a Brux on it that I am happy with, shoots well just as the rest of them I have do. Shouldn't have went away from something I know works. [/QUOTE]
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