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<blockquote data-quote="41mag" data-source="post: 734344" data-attributes="member: 3804"><p>Konrad,</p><p></p><p>I agreee with a lot of what you put up, and don't disagree with any of it. Your right there is a theme today which seems to be shoot as fast as I can, and the rest will take care of it's self. I have seen plenty of hunting shows where the arrow will hit the animal and not penetrate more than a foot at the most and the hunters are gong crazy with high fives and such on how good a shot it was. Me personally I want to have to pull my arrow out of the ground or the trees behind what I shot and know fo sure and certain there is a double wide hole in both sides. </p><p></p><p>I got into archery as somewhat of a "you need to try this out" by my good friend and hunting bud. They have hunted this way for years, and he had gotten away form it and started back up a few years back. Well I wasn't ovelry impressed with it but eventually I was talked into it. The year prior to me buying my first bow, my frind had been on a huge buck hot and heavy. He hunted every chance he got during archery season and even took his bow out the opening weekend of rifle season to try and get this monster. Well he got his chance, and at he shot the deer stepped sideways, and it resulted in the arrow hitting right in the shoulder socket. Penetration was only about 1-2" at most, and the buck quickly broke the arrow off on the nearest tree as he left the area. Two year later, the buck was still going and still putting out his best on the does but none of us ever got another shot at him. </p><p></p><p>That said my bud was sick, and threw out everything he had been working with and went to work on his equipment. He got into Dr. Ashby's writings, and along with the newer arrows and broadheads on the market, he put together about the best combination for our type hunting that he could have. </p><p></p><p>He can't draw but 65# at most, so that limits him somewhat to stick within a certain range of arrow weight and still get a bit of speed. Like you mentioned however when we went at this we didn't go looking to break 300fps, but to have the best weight moving at the best speed with the best broadheads up front on the smallest diameter shaft. </p><p></p><p>So what we ended up with were the Axis FMJ, small diameter, smooth sturdy shafts, and plenty of weight to them to ensure penetration once they got on target. From there we probably spent $1K easily on different broadheads to determine what would penetrate best on the ends of these shafts, at the speeds we were shooting. Our final result was a 28 or in my case 29.5" FMJ 400 for him and 340 for me, Blazer vanes, and the 100 or 120gr Slick Trick Razor Tricks broadheads. With this combination we're getting 240 - 270fps from any of our bows, and nothing has stopped the first arrow yet. He set his wife up with the 500 FMJ, 27" and the same broadhead. She is only drawing 45#, and so far she has shot through every deer she has put them on. </p><p></p><p>Yes there is a LOT to say for having a good weight behind the shot, and not trying to rely on speed. The trouble with most today however is they want instant accuracy, and most who hit the field haven't a clue as to if their stuff is tuned up and dialed in or not. They just know they can hit a pie plate diameter area with the latest mechanical this that or the other and feel they will be cutting 5" of hole into something it has to drop. It might, but chances are greater it will leave a long trail which will probably not lead to their deer. </p><p></p><p>Since getting into archery, I now have three bows. All of them are great shooters, "IF" I practice. I can take any one of them at any time and hit an ear plug at 20yds within a dozen or so shots, but that doesn't mean I am ready to hit the woods. In fact I turned down several chances this year simply due to I haven't had time to practice. I know the bows are dialed in, as well as the arrows are matched to the bows, but I cannot reliably say that I am ready. I proved that this past weekend while shooting two of them. The muscle memory simply isn't there, nor is the consistent shot to shot accuracy. I hold myself to a higher tolerance, that if I cannot hit within an inch or less of my ear plug at every range out to 40yds I am not heading to the woods to try and kill a deer. I have to know in my mind that I am up to the challenge, just as I do with my rifles. IF they don't shoot 1" or less groups I don't use them in the woods. </p><p></p><p>Keep up the thought process you have going it will go far with your hunting. You are for sure on the right track. There are plenty of critters taken every year with all sorts of equipment. Some are exactly the way it should be, some aren't. Some folks will always strive to be, and use the best they can, while others simply get by. It is the same with firearms as well as any other means. It is the hunter that makes the differences.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="41mag, post: 734344, member: 3804"] Konrad, I agreee with a lot of what you put up, and don't disagree with any of it. Your right there is a theme today which seems to be shoot as fast as I can, and the rest will take care of it's self. I have seen plenty of hunting shows where the arrow will hit the animal and not penetrate more than a foot at the most and the hunters are gong crazy with high fives and such on how good a shot it was. Me personally I want to have to pull my arrow out of the ground or the trees behind what I shot and know fo sure and certain there is a double wide hole in both sides. I got into archery as somewhat of a "you need to try this out" by my good friend and hunting bud. They have hunted this way for years, and he had gotten away form it and started back up a few years back. Well I wasn't ovelry impressed with it but eventually I was talked into it. The year prior to me buying my first bow, my frind had been on a huge buck hot and heavy. He hunted every chance he got during archery season and even took his bow out the opening weekend of rifle season to try and get this monster. Well he got his chance, and at he shot the deer stepped sideways, and it resulted in the arrow hitting right in the shoulder socket. Penetration was only about 1-2" at most, and the buck quickly broke the arrow off on the nearest tree as he left the area. Two year later, the buck was still going and still putting out his best on the does but none of us ever got another shot at him. That said my bud was sick, and threw out everything he had been working with and went to work on his equipment. He got into Dr. Ashby's writings, and along with the newer arrows and broadheads on the market, he put together about the best combination for our type hunting that he could have. He can't draw but 65# at most, so that limits him somewhat to stick within a certain range of arrow weight and still get a bit of speed. Like you mentioned however when we went at this we didn't go looking to break 300fps, but to have the best weight moving at the best speed with the best broadheads up front on the smallest diameter shaft. So what we ended up with were the Axis FMJ, small diameter, smooth sturdy shafts, and plenty of weight to them to ensure penetration once they got on target. From there we probably spent $1K easily on different broadheads to determine what would penetrate best on the ends of these shafts, at the speeds we were shooting. Our final result was a 28 or in my case 29.5" FMJ 400 for him and 340 for me, Blazer vanes, and the 100 or 120gr Slick Trick Razor Tricks broadheads. With this combination we're getting 240 - 270fps from any of our bows, and nothing has stopped the first arrow yet. He set his wife up with the 500 FMJ, 27" and the same broadhead. She is only drawing 45#, and so far she has shot through every deer she has put them on. Yes there is a LOT to say for having a good weight behind the shot, and not trying to rely on speed. The trouble with most today however is they want instant accuracy, and most who hit the field haven't a clue as to if their stuff is tuned up and dialed in or not. They just know they can hit a pie plate diameter area with the latest mechanical this that or the other and feel they will be cutting 5" of hole into something it has to drop. It might, but chances are greater it will leave a long trail which will probably not lead to their deer. Since getting into archery, I now have three bows. All of them are great shooters, "IF" I practice. I can take any one of them at any time and hit an ear plug at 20yds within a dozen or so shots, but that doesn't mean I am ready to hit the woods. In fact I turned down several chances this year simply due to I haven't had time to practice. I know the bows are dialed in, as well as the arrows are matched to the bows, but I cannot reliably say that I am ready. I proved that this past weekend while shooting two of them. The muscle memory simply isn't there, nor is the consistent shot to shot accuracy. I hold myself to a higher tolerance, that if I cannot hit within an inch or less of my ear plug at every range out to 40yds I am not heading to the woods to try and kill a deer. I have to know in my mind that I am up to the challenge, just as I do with my rifles. IF they don't shoot 1" or less groups I don't use them in the woods. Keep up the thought process you have going it will go far with your hunting. You are for sure on the right track. There are plenty of critters taken every year with all sorts of equipment. Some are exactly the way it should be, some aren't. Some folks will always strive to be, and use the best they can, while others simply get by. It is the same with firearms as well as any other means. It is the hunter that makes the differences. [/QUOTE]
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