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<blockquote data-quote="bigngreen" data-source="post: 845545" data-attributes="member: 13632"><p>You absolutely wrong about FWP wanting wolves, I worked for a biologist in Idaho when the wolves were introduced and there were no warm feeling about the wolves at all and there was zero local support, that is why they had to be introduced into a Federal Park, no local agencies thought they belonged and wanted nothing to do with them but now they have been dropped in their laps so in order to keep the Fed dollars coming they have to jump through hoops and that is what you'll see up on the front of FWP web sites, hang out with the local FWP guys who have to work with them daily and you'll get a different feel. </p><p></p><p>You simply do not have the capacity to understand what guys like Rooster are trying to tell you, ranching is a long string of contradictions in an effort to do the best you can to make a living on the land. I've spent three months, every night all night calving heifers for years, been mashed into fences and dirt to try to get a cow in to pull the calf, sat in a pile of sage brush all night to catch a bear killing cows, yet I'll send them out for slaughter and more than likely the hand raised bottle calves I would kill for beef.</p><p></p><p>I've shot elk to push them of fields but I also will leave a gate open in the corner or pull up a wire so the calves can get through the fence, I would check the fence every morning just to pull elk calves out and put some antiseptic on any spots on their legs. I'd wait till the calves got through the fence safely then shoot a cow to try to keep them back, it's all contradictions in an effort to do the best for all the animal that are on the ranch.</p><p></p><p>I've kept water troughs full of water in a drought and all that was there were elk and deer, but I'll also shoot them to make sure I have hay, I don't know of any rancher who would shoot elk to protect hay if they had enough for the cows, they elk graze of a lot of ground after haying and no one get bent. Some years they don't hit the hay so no problem, some years they do and it's taken care of as easily as possible. </p><p></p><p>I did not say that we killed 25% of a herd and had it double, your trying to put words into my mouth! I've seen the herd increase meaning a small bump up not doubling, our elk are doing well in my area, in Roosters not so much but in my area the wolves have been controlled but the area is easier to do that because of the terrain and most of the population will whack a wolf on sight. When I was growing up there were native wolves here and I only once remember there being an issues with one but no one would actively hunt down wolves because they didn't cause problems.</p><p>And picking out a dry cow is not an issue if you've spent any real time watching elk, <strong>SHE'S THE ONE WITHOUT A CALF</strong> plus if you look at them and watch them you'll see differences in how they look because they have not been feeding a calf all summer. It's not 100% cause some times you just have to pull up and brown is down but if I have time to look them over there is no reason to shoot a cow with a calf.</p><p></p><p>Yes the wolf is the issue because it is the only variable that has changed, ranchers have been protecting hay when needed, ran cows around elk and elk have always been hunted and we've had great elk herds and at times a surplus for generations but you change one variable like introducing a top of the line predator and breeding machine and you completely change the game, I really don't understand why you can not put that together in you mind!!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigngreen, post: 845545, member: 13632"] You absolutely wrong about FWP wanting wolves, I worked for a biologist in Idaho when the wolves were introduced and there were no warm feeling about the wolves at all and there was zero local support, that is why they had to be introduced into a Federal Park, no local agencies thought they belonged and wanted nothing to do with them but now they have been dropped in their laps so in order to keep the Fed dollars coming they have to jump through hoops and that is what you'll see up on the front of FWP web sites, hang out with the local FWP guys who have to work with them daily and you'll get a different feel. You simply do not have the capacity to understand what guys like Rooster are trying to tell you, ranching is a long string of contradictions in an effort to do the best you can to make a living on the land. I've spent three months, every night all night calving heifers for years, been mashed into fences and dirt to try to get a cow in to pull the calf, sat in a pile of sage brush all night to catch a bear killing cows, yet I'll send them out for slaughter and more than likely the hand raised bottle calves I would kill for beef. I've shot elk to push them of fields but I also will leave a gate open in the corner or pull up a wire so the calves can get through the fence, I would check the fence every morning just to pull elk calves out and put some antiseptic on any spots on their legs. I'd wait till the calves got through the fence safely then shoot a cow to try to keep them back, it's all contradictions in an effort to do the best for all the animal that are on the ranch. I've kept water troughs full of water in a drought and all that was there were elk and deer, but I'll also shoot them to make sure I have hay, I don't know of any rancher who would shoot elk to protect hay if they had enough for the cows, they elk graze of a lot of ground after haying and no one get bent. Some years they don't hit the hay so no problem, some years they do and it's taken care of as easily as possible. I did not say that we killed 25% of a herd and had it double, your trying to put words into my mouth! I've seen the herd increase meaning a small bump up not doubling, our elk are doing well in my area, in Roosters not so much but in my area the wolves have been controlled but the area is easier to do that because of the terrain and most of the population will whack a wolf on sight. When I was growing up there were native wolves here and I only once remember there being an issues with one but no one would actively hunt down wolves because they didn't cause problems. And picking out a dry cow is not an issue if you've spent any real time watching elk, [B]SHE'S THE ONE WITHOUT A CALF[/B] plus if you look at them and watch them you'll see differences in how they look because they have not been feeding a calf all summer. It's not 100% cause some times you just have to pull up and brown is down but if I have time to look them over there is no reason to shoot a cow with a calf. Yes the wolf is the issue because it is the only variable that has changed, ranchers have been protecting hay when needed, ran cows around elk and elk have always been hunted and we've had great elk herds and at times a surplus for generations but you change one variable like introducing a top of the line predator and breeding machine and you completely change the game, I really don't understand why you can not put that together in you mind!!! [/QUOTE]
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