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<blockquote data-quote="edward hogan" data-source="post: 1559430" data-attributes="member: 1341"><p>In context of LRH, which is this forum's theme; yes.</p><p>There was a guy from Palmer AK on this forum in the early days, and the discussion was about taking Moose at over 1,000yds with rifle shot off a tripod mount base. Then came the .338 Edge days and talk was about Elk being shot across Western canyons from portable shooting bench setups.</p><p></p><p>Gonna reliably take game at 1000+ yds? Best have some optical gain to help dope the wind and all the clarity you can get. Same w/shooting for tiny groups at a mile plus... But for general hunting? Unless you're doing beanfield shoots from your apt-like stand with it's solar powered conveniences, then the weight and mass of the Great Glass Scopes for LR is a negative.</p><p></p><p>All depends on your terrain. Deep woods and arctic jungle (Southcentral AK) and you'd best have a 0-1x for fast response. The 1-6x Zeiss Dialyt is pretty good, but an older design which can be difficult to mount effectively. An illuminated reticle makes up for some short-comings, hashtag reticle enables hold-offs and over/under holds. The Leupold mk4 4.5-14x 50mm is great in all respects aside from it's big objective, but great clarity in shadows and lightweight at only 22oz.</p><p></p><p>Tactical design scopes bring a Lot to the hunter. Custom elevation dials to track your trajectory are a real benefit. Paint 'em if you wish; Krylon comes off easy. Weight and size are major considerations for the hunter on foot. In context of LRH, most rifles are pushing 12lbs with a heavy varmint barrel 26" or longer, with 17lbs being realistic for built LR guns. Add a 40oz scope and 1/2lb rail and rings to this and you're up to 15 or 20 lbs w/o ammo, slling, bipod, stock pack</p><p></p><p>Problem with using a traditional design hunting scope is lack of elevation unless used w/30moa gain base. Yeah, the 1-4x leupy has tons of movement, but nobody dials a 1-4x. The older traditional leupys might have 50moa, but once zeroed, maybe only still have 20moa usable, or even less. Same goes for the traditional scopes from other makers.</p><p></p><p>Then there's the hunting rifle itself and its options for scope mounting. Win 70, Rem 700, & Savage have the most options. The Win 70 was The Standard platform for Palma and other NRA longrange events back in the day. Steyr and Sako/Tikka are somewhat hindered by their integral mount designs. Near Mfg has the most options for variety of rifle platforms.</p><p></p><p>For versatility and proven effectiveness, pretty hard to beat the mk4 gear, esp/w their custom shop turret availability.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="edward hogan, post: 1559430, member: 1341"] In context of LRH, which is this forum's theme; yes. There was a guy from Palmer AK on this forum in the early days, and the discussion was about taking Moose at over 1,000yds with rifle shot off a tripod mount base. Then came the .338 Edge days and talk was about Elk being shot across Western canyons from portable shooting bench setups. Gonna reliably take game at 1000+ yds? Best have some optical gain to help dope the wind and all the clarity you can get. Same w/shooting for tiny groups at a mile plus... But for general hunting? Unless you're doing beanfield shoots from your apt-like stand with it's solar powered conveniences, then the weight and mass of the Great Glass Scopes for LR is a negative. All depends on your terrain. Deep woods and arctic jungle (Southcentral AK) and you'd best have a 0-1x for fast response. The 1-6x Zeiss Dialyt is pretty good, but an older design which can be difficult to mount effectively. An illuminated reticle makes up for some short-comings, hashtag reticle enables hold-offs and over/under holds. The Leupold mk4 4.5-14x 50mm is great in all respects aside from it's big objective, but great clarity in shadows and lightweight at only 22oz. Tactical design scopes bring a Lot to the hunter. Custom elevation dials to track your trajectory are a real benefit. Paint 'em if you wish; Krylon comes off easy. Weight and size are major considerations for the hunter on foot. In context of LRH, most rifles are pushing 12lbs with a heavy varmint barrel 26" or longer, with 17lbs being realistic for built LR guns. Add a 40oz scope and 1/2lb rail and rings to this and you're up to 15 or 20 lbs w/o ammo, slling, bipod, stock pack Problem with using a traditional design hunting scope is lack of elevation unless used w/30moa gain base. Yeah, the 1-4x leupy has tons of movement, but nobody dials a 1-4x. The older traditional leupys might have 50moa, but once zeroed, maybe only still have 20moa usable, or even less. Same goes for the traditional scopes from other makers. Then there's the hunting rifle itself and its options for scope mounting. Win 70, Rem 700, & Savage have the most options. The Win 70 was The Standard platform for Palma and other NRA longrange events back in the day. Steyr and Sako/Tikka are somewhat hindered by their integral mount designs. Near Mfg has the most options for variety of rifle platforms. For versatility and proven effectiveness, pretty hard to beat the mk4 gear, esp/w their custom shop turret availability. [/QUOTE]
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