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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 551118" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>260shooter,</p><p> </p><p>Not sure how long you have been on LRH but a couple years back a nice young man that went by the call sight GoodGrouper had a rifle I built for him chambered in a wildcat he designed, basically it was a 338 RUM Improved. Would run right there with the Edge and Lapua.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, he made many kills on elk at ranges well over 1200 yards using the 225 gr Accubond. Now, I am not sure what the exact BC for that bullet is but I believe its similiar to the .530 for the 160 gr 7mm Accubond. Also, only slightly higher then the 180 gr 30 cal and if you bump up to the 200 gr Accubond, your into the .580 range.</p><p> </p><p>Ballistically, yes they do give up some performance to the match bullet, that is no doubt but most do not even give them a chance to see how they actually do perform at long range.</p><p> </p><p>I have been told by several "experts" that the 160 gr Accubond is no good for long range shooting. I have also had "experts" tell my customers that this bullet is no good for long range shooting and that a 300 gr 338 bullet is "required" for good results at extreme range. Now I do not question the abilities of the big 338s, I am a huge fan. That said, lets look at some numnbers comparing my 7mm Allen Magnum with the 160 gr AB @ 3550 fps and say a 338 Edge with 300 gr Berger loaded to 2900 fps. Both with 300 yard zeros in a 10 mph wind:</p><p> </p><p>338 Edge first</p><p>Yards...............Retained velocity............Energy............Drop................Drift</p><p>750....................2194 fps.......................3205...............11.25 moa.......2.5 moa</p><p>1000..................1984 fps.......................2621...............18.75 moa.......3.75 moa</p><p>1250..................1787 fps.......................2126...............27.75 moa.......4.75 moa</p><p>1500..................1602 fps.......................1710...............37.75 moa.......6.0 moa</p><p> </p><p>Now the 7mm Allen Magnum</p><p>Yards...............Retained velocity............Energy...........Drop................Drift</p><p>750....................2351 fps.......................1964..............8.5 moa...........3.25 moa</p><p>1000..................2018 fps.......................1447..............14.75 moa.......4.75 moa</p><p>1250..................1716 fps.......................1046..............22.75 moa.......6.25 moa</p><p>1500..................1448 fps.......................771................31.5 moa.........8.0 moa</p><p> </p><p>Now, obviously the big 338 with its higher BC and heavier bullet weight has an advantage in retained energy and also in drift but looking at the numbers, even at 1500 yards, the big 338 only has 2 moa less drift then the lowly 160 gr Accubond. Drop numbers are not even close. Inside 1000 yards, the Accubonds do very well.</p><p> </p><p>Again, not saying anything bad about the Edge or any other 338, just that most have it in their mind that you need a 338 magnum to get consistant long range performance, that is simply not the only way to skin this cat. Depending on the game hunted and range being shot over, sometimes, many times actually the Accubonds will outperform the match bullets when you consider all factors such as closer range penetratation and weight retention, bullet expansion and integrity and consistant terminal performance. </p><p> </p><p>Although not SEXY, the Accubonds, even some of the somewhat lower BC versions can perfrom extremely well at ranges out to 1000 yards. THey are often not given much of a chance however.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 551118, member: 10"] 260shooter, Not sure how long you have been on LRH but a couple years back a nice young man that went by the call sight GoodGrouper had a rifle I built for him chambered in a wildcat he designed, basically it was a 338 RUM Improved. Would run right there with the Edge and Lapua. Anyway, he made many kills on elk at ranges well over 1200 yards using the 225 gr Accubond. Now, I am not sure what the exact BC for that bullet is but I believe its similiar to the .530 for the 160 gr 7mm Accubond. Also, only slightly higher then the 180 gr 30 cal and if you bump up to the 200 gr Accubond, your into the .580 range. Ballistically, yes they do give up some performance to the match bullet, that is no doubt but most do not even give them a chance to see how they actually do perform at long range. I have been told by several "experts" that the 160 gr Accubond is no good for long range shooting. I have also had "experts" tell my customers that this bullet is no good for long range shooting and that a 300 gr 338 bullet is "required" for good results at extreme range. Now I do not question the abilities of the big 338s, I am a huge fan. That said, lets look at some numnbers comparing my 7mm Allen Magnum with the 160 gr AB @ 3550 fps and say a 338 Edge with 300 gr Berger loaded to 2900 fps. Both with 300 yard zeros in a 10 mph wind: 338 Edge first Yards...............Retained velocity............Energy............Drop................Drift 750....................2194 fps.......................3205...............11.25 moa.......2.5 moa 1000..................1984 fps.......................2621...............18.75 moa.......3.75 moa 1250..................1787 fps.......................2126...............27.75 moa.......4.75 moa 1500..................1602 fps.......................1710...............37.75 moa.......6.0 moa Now the 7mm Allen Magnum Yards...............Retained velocity............Energy...........Drop................Drift 750....................2351 fps.......................1964..............8.5 moa...........3.25 moa 1000..................2018 fps.......................1447..............14.75 moa.......4.75 moa 1250..................1716 fps.......................1046..............22.75 moa.......6.25 moa 1500..................1448 fps.......................771................31.5 moa.........8.0 moa Now, obviously the big 338 with its higher BC and heavier bullet weight has an advantage in retained energy and also in drift but looking at the numbers, even at 1500 yards, the big 338 only has 2 moa less drift then the lowly 160 gr Accubond. Drop numbers are not even close. Inside 1000 yards, the Accubonds do very well. Again, not saying anything bad about the Edge or any other 338, just that most have it in their mind that you need a 338 magnum to get consistant long range performance, that is simply not the only way to skin this cat. Depending on the game hunted and range being shot over, sometimes, many times actually the Accubonds will outperform the match bullets when you consider all factors such as closer range penetratation and weight retention, bullet expansion and integrity and consistant terminal performance. Although not SEXY, the Accubonds, even some of the somewhat lower BC versions can perfrom extremely well at ranges out to 1000 yards. THey are often not given much of a chance however. [/QUOTE]
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