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Any kills with 195 Bergers?
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<blockquote data-quote="Wedgy" data-source="post: 2017113" data-attributes="member: 64108"><p>Broz' observations from an older thread;</p><p></p><p>"Now lets go kill elk. I mentioned the 300 win and the 7-300 were the two most used rifles during a good part of last season here. This included a pre-season management hunt, all season long. And a post-season management hunt. Some nights we even had these two rifles side by side with a different hunter on each rifle while we waited in the blind for the elk to enter the hay field. Here are the results. The 215 Hybrid will out kill the 195 in a way so obvious after about a 15 or 20 elk taken with the 7 I put it away. The 300 with a 215 , not once needed a second shot to dispatch the elk. The 7mm, several needed a second shot. Now, add in the real world possibility of a less than perfectly placed shot and the advantage in terminal performance of the 300 with a 215 becomes even more evident.</p><p></p><p>This I feel is a great comparison. Why?</p><p>1: Because all this info is real and happened.</p><p>2: Same parent case were used.</p><p>3: Same powder were used</p><p>4: Same barrel brand and length were used same number of lands and groves</p><p>5: Repeated results were studied with several witnesses</p><p>6: I personally field dressed about 50 elk and documented the terminal performance, wound channels and shot placements myself</p><p>7: Optimum bullet used for each chambering</p><p>8: Both with the same muzzle brakes and barrel contour.</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/7mm-sherman-short-mag-vs-300-win-mag.170582/page-2[/URL]</p><p></p><p>Since I just happen to have both of these rifles in my ballistic app, with drops documented to a mile and confirmed. Lets compare the real world external ballistics.</p><p></p><p>7-300 win with 195 Berger @ 2950</p><p>800 yards 10 mph 3:00 wind</p><p>dial up 15.9 moa right 2.6 moa</p><p>impact velocity 2150 energy 2000</p><p></p><p>300 win with 215 Hybrid @ 3035</p><p>800 yards with 10 mph 3:00 wind</p><p>dial up 15.0 moa and right 2.8 moa</p><p>impact velocity 2141 energy 2188</p><p></p><p>7mm takes .2 moa less wind (one click)</p><p>300 has 1 moa less drop (4 clicks)</p><p>300 arrives with 188 lbs more energy.</p><p></p><p>I used 800 yards because the OP was about at that distance for his comparison. And 400 to 850 were where we took all of these elk. But if you want to go further the same trend in results will only magnify the advantages of each.</p><p></p><p>So I offer these documented results for those who are trying to decide between the 7 and the 30. It will always boil down to personal needs. But if elk are ever going to be in your freezer, under equal conditions, the 30 cal will out kill the 7 all day long.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wedgy, post: 2017113, member: 64108"] Broz' observations from an older thread; "Now lets go kill elk. I mentioned the 300 win and the 7-300 were the two most used rifles during a good part of last season here. This included a pre-season management hunt, all season long. And a post-season management hunt. Some nights we even had these two rifles side by side with a different hunter on each rifle while we waited in the blind for the elk to enter the hay field. Here are the results. The 215 Hybrid will out kill the 195 in a way so obvious after about a 15 or 20 elk taken with the 7 I put it away. The 300 with a 215 , not once needed a second shot to dispatch the elk. The 7mm, several needed a second shot. Now, add in the real world possibility of a less than perfectly placed shot and the advantage in terminal performance of the 300 with a 215 becomes even more evident. This I feel is a great comparison. Why? 1: Because all this info is real and happened. 2: Same parent case were used. 3: Same powder were used 4: Same barrel brand and length were used same number of lands and groves 5: Repeated results were studied with several witnesses 6: I personally field dressed about 50 elk and documented the terminal performance, wound channels and shot placements myself 7: Optimum bullet used for each chambering 8: Both with the same muzzle brakes and barrel contour. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/7mm-sherman-short-mag-vs-300-win-mag.170582/page-2[/URL] Since I just happen to have both of these rifles in my ballistic app, with drops documented to a mile and confirmed. Lets compare the real world external ballistics. 7-300 win with 195 Berger @ 2950 800 yards 10 mph 3:00 wind dial up 15.9 moa right 2.6 moa impact velocity 2150 energy 2000 300 win with 215 Hybrid @ 3035 800 yards with 10 mph 3:00 wind dial up 15.0 moa and right 2.8 moa impact velocity 2141 energy 2188 7mm takes .2 moa less wind (one click) 300 has 1 moa less drop (4 clicks) 300 arrives with 188 lbs more energy. I used 800 yards because the OP was about at that distance for his comparison. And 400 to 850 were where we took all of these elk. But if you want to go further the same trend in results will only magnify the advantages of each. So I offer these documented results for those who are trying to decide between the 7 and the 30. It will always boil down to personal needs. But if elk are ever going to be in your freezer, under equal conditions, the 30 cal will out kill the 7 all day long. [/QUOTE]
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