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Am I downgrading in binos?
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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2425122" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>Well, I find all of the comments above enlightening but have yet to have issues with any Vortex products like others have. I have had a number if different scopes by different manufacturers to include some of your beloved Leupold scopes that did in fact fail me, thankfully not during a hunt, but when sighting in or during local competition when allowed to use scopes. I have owned Tasco (big mistake) Bushnell (Didn't last long without issues and don't use on anything with a heavy recoil) Redfields (Great and were wonderful until they went out of business and bought out.) I wouldn't even buy a Redfield for my .22 these days. I had a Redfield 3 x 9 x 40 Accurange Accutrac that was on top of one of my Winchester .308's for probably 20 years until one day while hunting suddenly everything went White as it lost its Nitrogen charge and suckled in air and moisture. Missed a good shot at a nice 8 pointer due to that, but in reality the scope didn't owe me a thing. It served me well until it didn't. Sent it in to Redfield who was still in business at the time, they repaired it and sent it back with apologies for it's failure. I think that I might still have it laying around here somewhere buried in the piles of stuff I have had and while not discarding simply set aside...somewhere. </p><p></p><p>So getting back to Vortex quality issues. I have Vortex scopes on all of my rifles these days and last week bought a Vortex Diamonback Spotting Scope which I found simply amazing with the quality and clarity while I was at Vortex waiting on the diagnosis of the Diamondback Tactical 6 x 24 x 50 that I have had for several years and several thousand rounds fired through a couple of .308's and a 30-06. One day last fall when checking out some hand loads I had conjured up for the upcoming Deer season, I was shooting Sub MOA groups then suddenly had a flier that was not only several inches off, but several feet off. The next round was again several feet off in another direction. I immediately knew that the scope had let go internally. At that point I switched to my .270 for last year's deer season which was successful. I might add that the .270 also had a Vortex 6 x 24 x 50 on it, newer since I only purchased the .270 in 2019 but the rifle sighted in held true and the deer dropped in his tracks. </p><p></p><p>Now let's get back to the 30-06, called and was told to have the scope taken off and remounted since most scope problems were due to improper mounting. Since I Have a rifle shooting student I had her remove the scope, rings and rail the go through the complete scope mounting process under my guidance. 20 MOA rail installed, torqued and rifle leveled to the rail. Then the lower rings installed and level rechecked and the scope mounted to the rings loosely, eye relief set, scope leveled to the rifle using bubble levels and then vertical alignment checked against the old but reliable grid bore sighter. Once that was all set torqued everything down to Vortex specs using a Vortex torque wrench. Then bore sighted using a laser bore sighter. Headed to the range where I froze my cute butt off as well as my students and went to sight in the rifle. First shot was low and right. made an adjustment to bring closer to zero. Second shot was several feet above the first. Third shot was several feet below and off in a different direction. Three shots were enough to convince me that had already spent too much time in slightly above zero weather to continue with this foolishness. </p><p></p><p>Since Vortex is only 48 miles from my doorstep hauled it out there for their people to take a look at. The first person I talked to said that most people used cheap rings that often caused problems before he even looked at the rifle. My comeback was, they are Vortex rings. That shut him up about that which at that point they took the rifle and scope in back to to be checked out by the warranty department. Probably 20 minutes later they came back with the diagnosis. The parallax adjustment had let loose and the reticle was wandering around within the housing. They offered to have my scope repaired and sent to me or provide the newest updated version to replace mine, free of charge under warranty to include mounting and bore sighting. That was a no brainer...let's do the newest and greatest. Still have to go out and sight it in once the weather warms up, but that is how Vortex handles issues. </p><p></p><p>I am lucky, I live close by. Others who might be having issues call them before blindly sending your scope in due to a problem and talk about the issue you are having. They will recommend some troubleshooting steps and if they don't work will recommend sending it to them for evaluation and repairs. They will take care of you like no other scope manufacturer will. Their promise of a Lifetime Unconditional warranty is true. I saw some scope tubes and tripod legs with bullet holes through them replaced under warranty. Makes you wonder how that happened. </p><p></p><p>In conclusion, I've been around for a lot of years, owned lot of rifles (Some which I wish I still had) and had a lot of scopes to shoot with over the years. So far Vortex, whatever you may think is the best that I have had the most success with and when there is an issue those who were right there to take care of it, no matter what it was to include immediate replacement of any product not meeting their current standards.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2425122, member: 118816"] Well, I find all of the comments above enlightening but have yet to have issues with any Vortex products like others have. I have had a number if different scopes by different manufacturers to include some of your beloved Leupold scopes that did in fact fail me, thankfully not during a hunt, but when sighting in or during local competition when allowed to use scopes. I have owned Tasco (big mistake) Bushnell (Didn't last long without issues and don't use on anything with a heavy recoil) Redfields (Great and were wonderful until they went out of business and bought out.) I wouldn't even buy a Redfield for my .22 these days. I had a Redfield 3 x 9 x 40 Accurange Accutrac that was on top of one of my Winchester .308's for probably 20 years until one day while hunting suddenly everything went White as it lost its Nitrogen charge and suckled in air and moisture. Missed a good shot at a nice 8 pointer due to that, but in reality the scope didn't owe me a thing. It served me well until it didn't. Sent it in to Redfield who was still in business at the time, they repaired it and sent it back with apologies for it's failure. I think that I might still have it laying around here somewhere buried in the piles of stuff I have had and while not discarding simply set aside...somewhere. So getting back to Vortex quality issues. I have Vortex scopes on all of my rifles these days and last week bought a Vortex Diamonback Spotting Scope which I found simply amazing with the quality and clarity while I was at Vortex waiting on the diagnosis of the Diamondback Tactical 6 x 24 x 50 that I have had for several years and several thousand rounds fired through a couple of .308's and a 30-06. One day last fall when checking out some hand loads I had conjured up for the upcoming Deer season, I was shooting Sub MOA groups then suddenly had a flier that was not only several inches off, but several feet off. The next round was again several feet off in another direction. I immediately knew that the scope had let go internally. At that point I switched to my .270 for last year's deer season which was successful. I might add that the .270 also had a Vortex 6 x 24 x 50 on it, newer since I only purchased the .270 in 2019 but the rifle sighted in held true and the deer dropped in his tracks. Now let's get back to the 30-06, called and was told to have the scope taken off and remounted since most scope problems were due to improper mounting. Since I Have a rifle shooting student I had her remove the scope, rings and rail the go through the complete scope mounting process under my guidance. 20 MOA rail installed, torqued and rifle leveled to the rail. Then the lower rings installed and level rechecked and the scope mounted to the rings loosely, eye relief set, scope leveled to the rifle using bubble levels and then vertical alignment checked against the old but reliable grid bore sighter. Once that was all set torqued everything down to Vortex specs using a Vortex torque wrench. Then bore sighted using a laser bore sighter. Headed to the range where I froze my cute butt off as well as my students and went to sight in the rifle. First shot was low and right. made an adjustment to bring closer to zero. Second shot was several feet above the first. Third shot was several feet below and off in a different direction. Three shots were enough to convince me that had already spent too much time in slightly above zero weather to continue with this foolishness. Since Vortex is only 48 miles from my doorstep hauled it out there for their people to take a look at. The first person I talked to said that most people used cheap rings that often caused problems before he even looked at the rifle. My comeback was, they are Vortex rings. That shut him up about that which at that point they took the rifle and scope in back to to be checked out by the warranty department. Probably 20 minutes later they came back with the diagnosis. The parallax adjustment had let loose and the reticle was wandering around within the housing. They offered to have my scope repaired and sent to me or provide the newest updated version to replace mine, free of charge under warranty to include mounting and bore sighting. That was a no brainer...let's do the newest and greatest. Still have to go out and sight it in once the weather warms up, but that is how Vortex handles issues. I am lucky, I live close by. Others who might be having issues call them before blindly sending your scope in due to a problem and talk about the issue you are having. They will recommend some troubleshooting steps and if they don't work will recommend sending it to them for evaluation and repairs. They will take care of you like no other scope manufacturer will. Their promise of a Lifetime Unconditional warranty is true. I saw some scope tubes and tripod legs with bullet holes through them replaced under warranty. Makes you wonder how that happened. In conclusion, I've been around for a lot of years, owned lot of rifles (Some which I wish I still had) and had a lot of scopes to shoot with over the years. So far Vortex, whatever you may think is the best that I have had the most success with and when there is an issue those who were right there to take care of it, no matter what it was to include immediate replacement of any product not meeting their current standards. [/QUOTE]
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